[15:01:12] anotak: what do you think of reworking unearth to work like flashback
[15:01:18] anotak: something like
Resurgence (cost: You may cast this card from your graveyard for its Resurgence cost. It has haste. Exile it at end of turn or if it would leave the battlefield.)
[15:01:43] Chris Taylor: Like as opposed to just putting it into play like it does now?
[15:01:46] anotak: yeah
[15:01:48] Chris Taylor: Eh
[15:01:50] anotak: also if the card has flash it'd work
[15:01:57] anotak: and it can trigger stuff like secrets of the dead
[15:01:57] Chris Taylor: Okay flash I buy
[15:02:00] Chris Taylor: but like
[15:02:01] anotak: and you can counterspell it
[15:02:20] Chris Taylor: I don't really see the other benifits (secrets/counter) being worth the complexity
[15:02:49] anotak: basically if im building this graveyardy cube and i want to include unearth guys and i want to include a cycle of burning vengeance/secrets of the dead cards
[15:02:59] anotak: it's more confusing to ppl that it wont trigger off unearth
[15:03:15] Eric Chan: can you just make those trigger cards look for unearth
[15:03:24] anotak: its a lot of words
[15:03:28] Eric Chan: or are they worded weirdly to begin with
[15:03:29] Chris Taylor: Ie "Cast or unearth"
[15:03:35] anotak: I don't know if there's a good solution :/
[15:03:52] anotak: 2W Whenever Spectral Tome enters the battlefield or you cast a spell from your graveyard, put a 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying onto the battlefield.
[15:03:56] Chris Taylor: "Whenever you cast a spell from your graveyard or a creature enters the battlefield from your graveyard"
[15:04:03] Chris Taylor: Seems fine to me
[15:04:08] Chris Taylor: Lol
[15:04:10] anotak: i already have an etb on them too
[15:04:15] anotak: so i have to fit that all in therer
[15:04:17] Chris Taylor: I am so bad at typing
[15:04:17] anotak: or cut the etb
[15:04:20] Eric Chan: ya maybe rewording unearth is the way to go
[15:04:29] Chris Taylor: I don't think so
[15:04:36] Chris Taylor: that card isn't horribly squishes as it iws
[15:04:38] Chris Taylor: *is
[15:04:45] anotak: and honestly having played w/ unearth cards that are buffed to be cubeable
[15:04:53] anotak: it'd be really really really nice if you could counterspell them
[15:04:56] Alex Blanton: why not "when you use a spell or ability from gy"?
[15:05:03] anotak: ability from the graveyard is way too strong
[15:05:11] anotak: also people would think it triggers off dredge
[15:05:19] Chris Taylor: Would it not?
[15:05:20] anotak: no
[15:05:26] Chris Taylor: also, is that horribly broken?
[15:05:30] Eric Chan: you basically want this to only work for flashback + unearth?
[15:05:32] anotak: yes
[15:05:43] Eric Chan: i think that makes sense, dredge is something else entirely
[15:05:59] Chris Taylor: Dredge is an ability on a card in your yard though
[15:06:07] anotak: yeah but it just replaces your draw
[15:06:15] anotak: hold on let me read the comp rules
[15:06:21] Chris Taylor: Sure, sure, but does that stop it from being an ability?
[15:07:04] anotak: its a static ability
[15:07:10] anotak: it doesnt really get used the same way
[15:07:17] Chris Taylor: lol
[15:07:17] anotak: its not activated or triggered
[15:07:25] Chris Taylor: yeah
[15:07:28] anotak: you can't have a trigger for when an ability is 'used'
[15:07:29] Chris Taylor: can't really stifle it
[15:07:38] Chris Taylor: Well, I mean
[15:07:40] Chris Taylor: YOU can
[15:07:46] anotak: it doesnt have rules meaning
[15:07:52] anotak: it doesnt work and its ambiguous as fuck
[15:08:01] Chris Taylor: It's kinda not though
[15:08:11] Alex Blanton: well, yeah, u'd need to reword it
[15:08:11] Chris Taylor: Like "did you do something from your yard? have a spirit"
[15:08:26] Chris Taylor: WotC bends the rules for their own sets, you should be able to
[15:08:31] anotak: so if i cast animate dead would that trigger it
[15:08:39] Chris Taylor: I'd say so
[15:08:40] anotak: because i have no idea
[15:08:42] anotak: why
[15:08:46] Chris Taylor: Hardly dissimilar from unearth, right?
[15:08:49] anotak: you're using a spell from your hand
[15:09:04] anotak: so if i cast beckon apparition on a thing in my yard does that trigger it
[15:09:16] Chris Taylor: Beckon is exile something make a dude?
[15:09:17] Chris Taylor: Nah
[15:09:34] anotak: i dont see the difference between the two effects
[15:09:37] Chris Taylor: I'm reversing on animate dead
[15:09:40] anotak: both cards move a card in the yard out of the zone
[15:09:41] Chris Taylor: you're right
[15:09:49] Chris Taylor: Neither of them should
[15:09:51] anotak: but do you see why this is vague and confusing
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07] anotak: and honestly i dont even want things to trigger off dredge.... or do i
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14] anotak: im gonna make a card for that sounds cool
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24] anotak: 'whenever you dredge a card'
[15
29] anotak: written down cool idea
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32] Chris Taylor:
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43] Chris Taylor: I still dont really think it's THAT confusing
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54] Chris Taylor: Source of the ability is usually pretty easy to identify
[15
55] Chris Taylor: but hey
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58] Alex Blanton: maybe when u return a card to ur hand from gy?
[15:11:10] Alex Blanton: that way EWit is in on the fun
[15:11:11] Chris Taylor: I think golgari brownscale actually has that wording?
[15:11:18] Chris Taylor: yeah
[15:11:26] anotak: When Golgari Brownscale is put into your hand from your graveyard, you gain 2 life.
[15:12:08] anotak: but yeah this is why i want to change unearth because it doesnt really work with the rest of it
[15:12:17] anotak: and also i would much rather it be counterspellable
