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It just seems way too strong imo. Powerful for sure, I'm just not sure if this is any fun to actually play against. Cheating it into play or ramping into it ahead of schedule seems like an absolute beating. There's just very little downside unless they Swords or Path the token and you're left...

Oh fuck. This does nothing for my cube, but does everything for my Karametra Enchantress deck in EDH. Slots are tough now 6 years in, but this is a staple if I've ever seen one.

Oh wow, this is nice support for U/B reanimator strategies. A recurrable blocker that lets you dig deeper for your reanimation spells and can fill your graveyard up with goodies. What a sweet design.

Whatever man, I just don't give a fuck anymore.

Again, disagree strongly. Not really interested in pursuing this any further as I can see where it's headed.

But that's adding extra qualifiers to fit your definition of high-powered that are atypical. Which people like me, and most cube designers, would not be privy to because we don't design or evaluate along the same parameters. So yeah, in the scenario you're mentioning I can see Venser not...

Yeah, most higher-powered cubes still deploy Venser. That's the whole argument I'm making. It isn't outdated. Maybe in your environment with whatever you're trying to make work in specific, but that's definitely not the case across the board for higher-powered environments.

Yeah, I don't agree at all. If you're talking Constructed where 4 CMC isn't efficient then sure, but I don't think it's applicable to most cubes. Venser is still one of the best blue creatures in cube given the flexibility of what you get at instant speed for 4 mana. The typical 3 CMC bounce...

True, I guess I was thinking more that I'd just be using the treasure to go extra wide and/or fire more burn to the face as the Aggro player. I guess you just hope to keep hitting things that are easily castable with single pips. It's definitely a pushed card with all the extra bells and...

Sure, but boomer junk sounds like stuff that would suck in Cube nowadays compared to current offerings. That doesn't describe Venser, Shaper Savant. If it was just a flash Man-O'-War variant I'd agree, but it can do so much more and definitely holds up nowadays. It's still a great card in 2021...

Agreed. Venser is still the shit with a wider window of interaction both on the stack and on the battlefield along with more synergies with blink cards like Soulherder. Like being able to re-buy the effect an bounce your opponents is actually disgusting, you haven't lived until you've been able...

Oh my god I've been dying for a great red one drop for a while now that doesn't just have a ton of useless text ala Falkenrath Gorger. I LOVE the Dash mechanic and this fits so well. I would have been happy with just the body, maybe a keyword like menace, and the Dash mechanic. This is...

I was planning on cutting Heliod, Sun-Crowned due to a lack of support but having a tiny cast-able Triskelion gives another Walking Ballista finisher option on curve. Plays well in a GW shell with the likes of Evolution Sage for proliferation and stuff like Felidar Retreat to help grow a team...

I'm already marking off flex/cut slots in my cube in anticipation of the rest of these spoilers. I'm expecting something like 12 new additions if MH1 was an indicator of what to expect.

And for my Ur-Dragon Tribal Tribal deck!

I'd go with Technique. More fun in a multiplayer setting where you have to weigh the risk/reward and most walkers kind of just suck if you can't protect them. This Liliana pretty much exists to be a one shot reanimation spell rather than a 5 mana zombie token factory most of the time.

Fine at seven mana, miserable if cheated out early. Like just consider the fact that your 1/1 token now trades with whatever 5/5 they had previously. It really depends on how fair your environment is. I don't think it's anything out of the ordinary with pushed card designs nowadays at lower CMCs...

Is it even worth it? I feel like it's pretty established at this point among cube designers, especially with more people open to experimentation compared to say 6 years ago. Before it was almost blasphemous to suggest two of a kind on some boards, nowadays people don't even blink when you run...

Straight up zero. I don't play any form of digital Magic, just not my thing.

Same here. It just clicked for me early on when I started playing and I laid out all shocks in color order and the frames bled color to color with each adjacent card and looped back around. Hallowed Fountain Watery Grave Blood Crypt Stomping Ground Temple Garden Godless Shrine Overgrown Tomb...