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Yeah the 5/5 being much more sturdy than 4/4 is the major upside of the Goliath. I can see switching to the Krushok, but am currently happy with the beef the Goliath brings.

For that same cost I would probably much rather play Reinterpret

This is putting into words pretty much exactly what I've felt about the set, and made me realize that I would've liked the latter much better.

Another deck spoiled. This is a pretty nifty combo of abilities. Perfectly reasonable body with a nice "ward" suite. I like the base +1/+1 counter ability, and it can pile up counters fast with that second ability. But die rolls... Interesting intersection of Equipment and +1/+1 counters...

At least they aren't all d20s....?

I saw that guy. Not sure what I would swap out for it though...

This seems like another strong cog for a treasures archetype

The land disruption and mill strategies may not be helping with the "functionality" part. They are parasitic and divisive strategies - a couple of reasons why they are shied away from.

Not if you make it free and/or add the tokenmaking. R and to some extent B have several cards that steal the opponents card for your own use... as long as you pay for it. Permanent control swapping style effects are firmly blue still

Also making it instant and out of color pie... it would fit better to just shave a mana off of the actual card Fractured Identity.

A 4 mana instant permanent control magic effect that also gives you an ETB off their creature? Seems wicked strong...

I really like Death Tyrant. Good combination of an interactive trigger and GY recursion on a non-overbearing body. Probably will replace Bontu for it. I like Ebony Fly too, but I don't think it operates in the same slot as liquidmetal torque does. One could certainly swap out the torque for it...

That's a pretty good start. I would say next lay out (and/or re-layout) four themes for the color to interface with (namely one main theme per Gx pair). That should give more room to start polishing the creatures from there. Is this meaning "literally every green noncreature spell is up in the...

Seriously though, I also utilize this archetype with tie-ins to landfall and +1/+1 counter themes. fearless fledgling canyon jerboa emeria angel felidar retreat evolution sage vinelasher kudzu kazandu mammoth Another favorite "tilling" card of mine is harrow (I mean, it's literally describing...

Does that make a deck that uses Courser of Kruphix, Oracle of Mul Daya, and other non-sac land ramp No Till? ;)

Yeah there aren't any treasure producers that allow you to freely splash whatever you want. They don't produce treasures efficiently or consistently enough to be treated like that. Splashing for a Bring to Light would definitely be a possibility, but you aren't just tossing in multicolored cards...

sai, master thopterist

I've also had a lot of luck with Painful Truths in the past. Perfectly serviceable black pain-for-draw spell As mentioned, making sure there are artifact themes to tie into would be pretty important I think. breya's apprentice goblin engineer pia and kiran nalaar And if the archetype goes...

Kaleidoscorch is great in general, and would be A+ in this archetype. Another Converge consideration: Radiant Flames

(Reposting the original card list. Card images work much better for me when evaluating many options. The new stuff will fill in.... at some point :confused: ) Captain Lannery Storm Deadly Dispute Dire Fleet Hoarder Forsworn Paladin Goldspan Dragon Goldvein Pick Kalain, Reclusive Painter Magda...