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I like the idea of some variance in which cards get duplicates. I'm reminded of this post on Japahn's blog regarding duplicates of build-around cards.

https://desolatelighthouse.wordpres...of-calamity-and-build-arounds-one-card-a-day/
I have a feeling this blog post assumes a 360 cube (with no duplicates) as the standard, the way it talks about a lack of odds in a cube. I did some calculations (picking probabilities for a draw without replacement) for my 450 cube. If I include two copies of a card, there's ~64% chance that both show up, ~32% that one shows up, and ~4% that none show up. This is useful info for supporting other archetypes actually, e.g. the mentioned Braids, Cabal Minion and Smokestack that I run, which obviously have the same odds, because it's also two specific cards.

If you instead run 3 (identical of similar) cards that support the same archetype in a similar way, there's less than 1% of none showing up, almost 9.5% of only one, 38.5% of two pieces, and just over 51% of all three pieces showing up. Pretty fun math! (Courtesy of https://www.dcode.fr/picking-probabilities :))
 
I have a feeling this blog post assumes a 360 cube (with no duplicates) as the standard, the way it talks about a lack of odds in a cube. I did some calculations (picking probabilities for a draw without replacement) for my 450 cube. If I include two copies of a card, there's ~64% chance that both show up, ~32% that one shows up, and ~4% that none show up.
I really like the concept of a core cube with occasionals and putting carefully chosen duplicates into the occasionals. That would change the odds, and provide some levers to customize the odds.
But why duplicate or even triplicate cards at random from your cube? Even set cubes have the sense only to repeat commons and uncommons. You could end up in a draft with an oppressively large number of mass removal cards or counterspells, leading to overpowered control decks. Or conversely you might be providing too much support for aggro with a plethora of cheap creatures and burn. Of course much of the time it will all balance out, in which case why bother?
I think it can be managed to create an interesting level of variability within an acceptable range. I like the idea of sometimes having a little extra burn, wrath, counterspell, ETB, fatties, ramp, etc. The drafters can feel that out in the draft to see what the best deck is instead of assuming that it's all the same as usual.

Now, one could debate whether it's best to have duplicates of spells or different spells with similar roles, because the latter would signal to the drafters that something extra is available in an archetype. Some cards don't have that option since there's no real substitute. But even if it's extra copies, I think it's really cool if there might be a second copy of a card like Blood Artist or maybe a glue card like Tireless Tracker, or some extra high quality removal, or a second Goblin Guide.
 
The real solution is having a gauntlet of 10 different Cubes and every time drafting a different one, depending on the mood :marofl:

I am joking, but I really wish this was true. It would be very fun, maybe if each friend in the playgroup had their own Cube. Sadly I don't even have a group of regular people drafting Cube with me, but that's mostly due to living abroad and having my Magic cards and Magic friends at home
 
For about a year I had Bill in my cube:
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For a bunch of magic players you wouldn't believe how often people were like "how does this work". Pot of Greed wasn't a meme yet so I didn't go with the YGO card (plus they're a different physical size, you know. smaller!)

I also had the far-more-interesting Computer Search:
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in case you have to get your Pokemon Card Count(tm) up.
 
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Huh. That's honestly a really interesting card and I wonder how it'd get costed in Magic. I could see it being a Sorcery for {1}{B}?

I guess it depends on if the discard is part of the cost of casting the spell or if it's part of the effect.
 
It's part of the cost! The later reprint made it more explicit (and also added an entirely new mechanic where you got to play only one, because they just kind of do things sometimes):
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Given that, and that it reminds me most of Gamble, except the discard's way more of an upside, it can't be B, so it must be 1B. Ish. I think I agree with you.

It was super interesting to play with, if undercosted at 0. Made me want to check other card games for other playable cards, but I am very lazy so I never actually got around to it.
 
I'm probably late to the party on this one, but who else noticed that they've cut way back on printing new cards with scry? They made Surveil deciduous starting with Brothers War (Oct 2022), but I didn't realize until now that they've nearly stopped printing new cards with scry in retail draft sets. Several of the most recent sets have zero scry cards. If you include all of the miscellaneous commander sets and such in 2024 and 2025 so far, we still see an approximate 4:1 ratio in favor of surveil.

I say go for it! Surveil is great.

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I love the Surveil love we've been getting. It's too bad Elminster doesn't include both terms, since I'd be somewhat interested in him if he did.

Good call on the Pokémon cards, @Seeker. There's actually quite a lot of them I'd be fine running and would be fun to try out for a one-off.


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I've got five cards with "dark" in the name. Probably not enough, but it'd be really funny. With the callout of "evolution card" this one is the biggest stretch of the bunch.

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I dunno, these mostly seem fun to me, with Blaine's Last Resort and Misty's Wrath as the most busted. I'm kind of shocked there's not even a halfway good Scryfall for Pokémon, though.
 
Pokemon's absurd card advantage always throws me for a loop. I know a lot of that is Magic being relatively stingy when it comes to tutors and card draw, but man.

I say go for it! Surveil is great.

My one annoyance is that we've been getting a bunch of explicit payoffs for scrying over the same period, so the incidental support for cool cards like Elvish Mariner has been sharply reduced. Not a big deal, but it still feels a bit odd to me.

I'm kind of shocked there's not even a halfway good Scryfall for Pokémon, though.

This is something I ran into when a friend tried to get me into Yugioh - as someone who likes to build their own decks so I have a better feel for how they're supposed to work, not having a good way to look up cards felt atrocious.
 
I'm kind of shocked there's not even a halfway good Scryfall for Pokémon, though.
oh my god saaaaaame

I briefly picked up the newer online Pokemon TCG client in 2023 and I was like "how do I know what's legal? how do I find cards I want?"

...then I threw up my hands and copied Tord Reklev's exact decklist immediately after every tournament (of the four PT level events plus Worlds that year, he won one and made the finals of two more) because he thought like a Magic player so his decklists were always playing four copies of the really dumb cards like Battle VIP Pass (because "tutor for two basic Pokemon and put them into play" is totally balanced when you add "play this only on turn one", right?)

The best one I know of is LimitlessTCG and it's not awful but I was using it predominantly for "things legal in Standard" and the instant you have a larger pool it's just not great. I guess I'd call it halfway good but definitely not 60% good.

You should totally play Felicity's Drawing! That thing looks cracked (good).

My one annoyance is that we've been getting a bunch of explicit payoffs for scrying over the same period, so the incidental support for cool cards like Elvish Mariner has been sharply reduced. Not a big deal, but it still feels a bit odd to me.
Hopefully they continue to work around this with the Matoya, Archon Elder text!
 
Funny idea: Make a cube where scrying or surveiling are treated as equivalent for any synergies.
Funnier idea: Also include exploring. I could honestly see Enhanced Surveillance + Maps being a cool "secret" archetype.
Funniest idea: Oh, and any time a creature tells you to surveil it actually explores that many times, because I like Rubblebelt Maverick a lot and think that maaka deserves to see the world.
 
My one annoyance is that we've been getting a bunch of explicit payoffs for scrying over the same period, so the incidental support for cool cards like Elvish Mariner has been sharply reduced. Not a big deal, but it still feels a bit odd to me.
Yeah, that's irritating. They went for a lot of scry cards in LTR and WOE, before they seemingly made the switch.

They could do "whenever you look at or reveal cards from the top of your library, look at or reveal two extra cards." That would buff lots of effects. It's probably best as a custom card in a casual game, because that feels like something that could create some rules ambiguity for some cards.
 
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