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Yeah, I really wish they could've made the indestructible more conditional. Maybe it could be indestructible as a creature but not in "enchantment mode"? A lot of interaction that's not possible otherwise :(

My point was in relation to the "+2/+2", which you'd ordinarily use in combat, whereas the plain "get hexproof/indestructible" effect is probably going to be most serviceable as a response to an opponent playing a spell or ability. Pairing growth and indestructible is in my opinion more powerful...

I just think that if we had a card that said "Target creature gains hexproof until end of turn" and a card that aid "Target creature gains indestructible until end of turn" I think the hexproof one is more versatile? It's not a hill I'm going to die on.

I'm on team ravnic here. Aren't we almost always duct taping together really disparate cards into a deck when drafting cube anyway? Like, for the most part cubes will contain a lot of different mechanics and effects that in their original environment was part of a "thing" (like revolt, for...

journey to nowhere banishing light faith's fetters I dunno, white does play a lot of enchantment based removal. And a 2/2 for two often blocks just fine!

I'm not sure that's a fair comparison, because combat is the specific situation where indestructible is a lot better than hexproof and these two are both combat tricks.

Yeah, husk seems good to me too since it's "kind of" has multiple modes? Weenie dork early and an equipment to put on an evasive creature later.

Hexproof helps against bounce spells as well as act of treason effects beyond just plain removal so I definitely think hexproof is better than indestructible with protection being the best.

It's quite literally a (single activation of) bazaar of baghdad on wheels, so I guess decks that want to dredge a lot or otherwise do things out of the graveyard would like it?

I wasn't so sure about Hope, but I think you've warmed me up to it. Getting some more techy counter plays in aggro seems fun too, since you really need to speculate in when to pop Hope to stave off a removal or sweeper spell.

Oh wow, that looks incredible!

I really like how foretell allows for having multiple spells during a "showdown turn" where both players try to out-counterspell each other, but that seems more like a constructed thing than limited unfortunately. I've warmed up to the mechanic.

I guess this depends on how frequent it should be among drafters, since a theme could be "aggro" which is pretty general or "Equipment and aura boros" which is a little more specific. Ultimately this should end up in a persons deck, which means 23 playables usually. Not all 23 need to belong to...

Hmm I suppose so. Four mana is a lot, but I know people have mentioned liking dictate of Heliod which I guess this is a techier mini version of?

Don't underestimate the value of repeatedly producing more bodies! Especially since you can play a removal spell then activate this a few times, to get 2-3 tokens that you can equip or play pumps on or w/e. It let's you make sure you use your mana.

Isn't this a question for the "looking for a card" thread? You've unwittingly entered them into the arena! Three enter, one leaves! I pick usher of the fallen.

Having played against it on MTG arena I can say that it's quite a removal check, which could be good or bad for your environment depending on what kind of boost white needs.

I like the landfall cards that get +1/+1 counters as well, since it at least in theory seems to me as reducing the tendency for landfall based decks to just wanna red zone all the time since the growth effect only lasts until end of turn, discouraging you from leaving blockers, making games less...

Heliod, Sun-Crowned At what power level does this card become sweet? I feel like the combination of lifegain + growing creatures can be pretty annoying on an indestructible enchantment, because its' so uninteractive. Is it just GRBS?

Hmm I think yes, technically, but is this something your drafters are actually going to figure out? Seems to me like it's maybe something if you really want a lot of depth in your format, but isn't something that is super obvious since it has a "red" identity which is outside of the colors (WB)...