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Hm, I do like the suggestion of not necessarily making removal worse so much as shifting its axis. Maybe I can let removal be more there for control and give aggro tricks as a way to get through?

Honestly making it a potentially busted stromkirk noble seems like a good way to make the proliferation less poisonous

What I'm super curious about is how much of this has to do with the fixing and how the color pair archetypes are set up. My preference would be tight 2 color splash a 3rd, the four colour ones are really ugly to me. Are these decks just a symptom of these styles of cube?

I'm bumping this up again, because now we have had some time to play around with this stuff if we wanted as well as having KTK behind us. I've been thinking about draft formats and cubes a lot lately, and how the mana base can form the back bone for a format. I'm curious about how you people...

Hey now, I'm not running either one but if you're in the market for a memory adept in 2 colors :p

Yeah, I agree. It's like a slightly more interactable Jace, Memory Adept.

Yeah, a free walker that protects itself and makes piles of mana seems very hard to play against

I've actually thought a bit about that because almost all players are playing 3 color decks and maybe it leads to people making unfocused builds.

Ones 1 pillar of flame Twos 1 young pyromancer 1 baleful strix 1 night's whisper 1 lightning helix 1 everflowing chalice Threes 1 nightveil specter 1 man-o'-war 1 vampire nighthawk 1 hordeling outburst 1 expunge Fours 1 galepowder mage 1 dungeon geists 1 olivia voldaren 1 into the roil 1...

really it gives as much upside to flashback spells as do that other one with intuition being something more decks are more interested in

I'm so disappointed that hordeling outburst isn't 3 warriors :( Maybe this can be a subtheme? Running woe-reaper and blood-chin rager seem like enough to start considering the density of your warrior count. Wheter it can be an explicit theme probably depends on the power bevel your running.

I agree with others in this thread, I would look at in what way you want the aggressive decks to present threats andhow they plan to attack, and then look for ways for the other slower decks to interact with that. I understand that the CIPT lands put a constraint on where the aggressive curve...

at instant speed, and four life, it's a mini thragtusk :p

Seems like a wicked card when printed at 1UG though!

The flash guy, it's sort of a removal spell that turns into a good blocker / threat. It all depends on how likely it is to kill a creature or get killed itself maybe?

Yeah, these recent styles of cubes have really opened my eyes for lower powered formats with a lot of thought around game play put into them. aura gnarlid Heliod's Pilgrim Temporal isolation I think you mentioned auruas earlier. There's an interesting, in my opinion, overlap between auras as...

you're not in the market for narrow +1/+1 counter themes? :p

reverent hunter throw in this and you've got yourself a theme

It's a conditional big searing blaze?

I think that sounds pretty exciting! We've talked about madness some on this board buto I don't think it's ever found a home. There are some decent red and black discard outlets as well!