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imposing sovereign Thalia, guardian of thraben So, I'm a pretty big fan of disruptive two drops, but I've found it kind of difficult to find a good suite of them for cube. In constructed we have more cards like gaddok teeg and arbiter, but I'm not sure they translate to limited.

Well like, what are you running now? What list? There's a ton of nice counterspells.

Force, like goyf, really feel like lackluster cards in limited. You have way to inconsistent decks to make any use of them.

When in your opinion did this transition then. What is a "classic" control deck?

nantuko husk VS bloodthrone vampire Sort of in the same spirit. As part of an aristocrat package, which one would be the better card? It feels like it could be too slow with a three drop, but also getting two power makes it significantly more useful when you don't have any sac fodder.

I like this one :p Also thoroughly enjoying these discussions we've had this week!

Yeah, five options seems a bit excessive.

You also took out and added a disciple of the ring ;) Tell us how the cards played in the 3-0 thread yeah?

Oh right, since the copy doesn't have a backside. So you just have the permanent trying to come back flipped from exile to the battlfield but just ends up forgetting it was cloned to begin with and you just select jace as the target again?

The danger with introducing both tapped and untapped lands is that it makes the tapped land the wrong choice to take and creates this weird "two cubes in one" feel where you can get trapped into playing a worse deck by picking the wrong kind of cards, in this case the bounce lands. I'm pretty...

To me I think one of the key differences is that where control wants to navigate to a state where the control players has inevitability (by having more mana, cards, access to permission and some way to finish that doesn't just get picked off easily like aetherling or a manland), and the midrange...

Wait, jace had haste but how did he get an untap?

Probably any reusable or cantripping spell is good right?

That's a pretty interesting line though. It'll probably always end up in the hands of the prowess/heroic player though so, one or two might be enough? elvish fury anoint seething anger haze of rage mystic speculation most of these cards are pretty awful though.

As always, I think the best way to work this out is to simply start with some aggressive decks, let's say the champion of the parish human decks and a viashino slaughtermaster doublestrike deck (That card really should be regarded as a red fencing ace), and then you let midrange and control...

That Ula's design is pretty sleek. I like how it makes you wanna play a bunch of lands, while also being a kinda tempoish card.

Ok, and? It's a win more? Run it, don't run it?

chandra's ignition Speaking of which, how close is this to a win more bonfire for durdly midrange decks? I want to try it out just to give a nudge to big red decks but, it might be a bit too dumb.

Black and blue coincidentally also has some really good one-two cmc non-creature spells. So it still has room for just the good stuff. I'm intrigued by the idea, if it's doable it seems to glue together a hole on a really sleek way.

Making use of a frequent death trigger?