Card/Deck Broken cards for lower power

[ravnic]

But for Field you need seven (!) lands with different names. Getting those into a deck is a challenge already (especially if you, like me, have almost half your fixing be Prismatic Vista). And since you will only have one Field of the Dead ever, you aren't going crazy with zombies either. A few 2/2s in the late game don't seem super relevant tbh.

I am not even sure the card would be playable in my cube. Is it even as good as Zendikar's Roil? I am not convinced.

 

[LadyMapi]

The issue with cards like Field is that the gap between them being playable and them being broken is really narrow, and people are going to be disappointed if they drafted the card because of its reputation as a crazy powerful card and just got a zombie or two out of it.

 

[EzPzJapanezy]

If you're doing this, you probably deserve every zombie, even in fair cubes, right?

I don't find Field to be an egregious inclusion. Like you said, you include a suite of Vista's as your primary source of recursive, strong fixing. Your Loam / Dredge support for 660 doesn't seem so omnipresent that Field would easily come online, and Temur <-> Rainbow strategies would just earn a new potential finisher in the form of a Land that is very flavorful and interesting.

If you over-supported land-focused hyper-ramp / land-recursion I would probably recommend to stay away from it, but those 2 strategies seem really balanced in your list.

 

[ravnic]

Your Loam / Dredge support for 660 doesn't seem so omnipresent that Field would easily come online

I appreciate your take, but you kinda had to type tag:core on cubecobra for that to get a more realistic overview. My cube is essentially a shifting 360 card cube where 324 cards from the core appear in each draft (90% of the pool), so you are much more likely to get certain pieces like Elvish Reclaimer or Crucible of Worlds.

 

[EzPzJapanezy]

Interesting, yeah that makes a lot of sense. I will try to analyze your list through using that tag from now on when posting responses.

If I may ask, when you consider cards like Field as a 'healthy' inclusion for your environment, are you scrutinizing it as a potential 'core' inclusion? Or more as if it would play well / fairly enough with your 'core' list to warrant testing as an occasional? (or maybe both?)

 

[ravnic]

No, I wasn't thinking of it or any of the cards mentioned here (except maybe demonic tutor) as a core card. These constructed/powered cube all stars have the perk of being exciting, which makes for good occasionals. Core cards are judged more on the basis of elegance, flexibility and such, good clean magic.

The idea is that you open a pack with Oblivion Ring, Opt, Throat Slitter, Reckless Impulse and Mother Bear and then a Mox Opal or Bazaar of Bagdhad it would really catch your eye – even when it might be correct to take Opt or whatever.

 

[ravnic]

Let's talk about this birdie

 

[gaytransmulldrifter]

I think this card is pretty bad and I've always been surprised by how many people include it in cubes (or in their decks in arena cube lol). Like yeah sure, you can high roll drawing time walk or ancestral and then you're probably feeling good, but I have never seen that happen. This card adds six lands to your deck. I think its pretty weak. But perhaps that's exactly what you're looking for in which case yeah card is obviously badass, run it.

 

[alvoi]

I had a deck on Arena where I played it in conjunction to Displacer Kitten and Paradoxical Outcome to continuously blink it and draw more cards and play more Power 9. It was so bad that I had to cut it from the deck for better alternatives. But it is a fun card

 

[gaytransmulldrifter]

I think a lower power environment where you're pretty stoked on getting a 3 mana 2/3 flyer that scries on attack would actually be a much better environment for this card than any of the high power cubes where it actually tends to show up lol.

 

[Nanonox]

Combos with these I guess



It did mess me up on Arena when I had a lethal Brain Freeze that suddenly needed 3 more spells ><

 

[LadyMapi]

I think a lower power environment where you're pretty stoked on getting a 3 mana 2/3 flyer that scries on attack would actually be a much better environment for this card than any of the high power cubes where it actually tends to show up lol.

It's also going to be better in a slower environment where you can actually draw the dang cards.

(Hot take: the Moxen and Black Lotus aren't actually that good unless you can draw them in the first few turns.)

 

[Brad]

I think that's a really cold take? GTM already referred to it as adding 6 lands to the deck.

 

[ravnic]

Yeah, I think the fact that the moxen aren't good anymore on turn 4+, and lotus probably too, is what made me consider this card for lower power in the first place.

I had a deck on Arena where I played it in conjunction to Displacer Kitten and Paradoxical Outcome to continuously blink it and draw more cards and play more Power 9. It was so bad that I had to cut it from the deck for better alternatives. But it is a fun card

Ooh right, it does the thing again when you blink or reanimate it. That kills it for paper cube imo, I don't want to make 27 proxies for one card.