Jason Waddell's Cube
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Rob Dennis
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cuesbey link for those who would like to compare their list:
http://cuesbey.com/#/16814902-44c7-4e60-ac0c-692ba401ad33
http://cuesbey.com/#/16814902-44c7-4e60-ac0c-692ba401ad33
Rob, I am so happy you exist. This cuesbey stuff is really coming along. I made a complete In- and Out- list from six weeks of changes for an upcoming article (coming out in the next 48h sometime), and your site was a massive time saver.
It's really great that you can bookmark a list for a comparison now. Looking forward to watching this one evolve!
Hi Vince, thanks for the suggestion! I have not tested that card, but I'll put it on my list. Great flavor text!
Dom Harvey
Contributor
ZOMBIE CUTTHROAT
It's a colourless Zombie that also lets you jump up to a six-drop on turn 4 with Birthing Pod!
It's a colourless Zombie that also lets you jump up to a six-drop on turn 4 with Birthing Pod!
That's a pretty solid suggestion Dom. It'd be my first Morph card, which is uh... well, one is the loneliest number, especially for morphs. But I do like it.
Uh, so this card exists. Anybody have experience with it? Zombie + Treefolk? murmuringCrawler.dec? I feel like I'm priced in here.
Dom Harvey
Contributor
I like it. Obviously most of the Zombie support is going to come from red, but finding ways to tie it into other colours can only help.
Given that you have 20 fetches and presumably a ton of other activated abilities, what about Rings of Brighthearth?
Given that you have 20 fetches and presumably a ton of other activated abilities, what about Rings of Brighthearth?
Chris Taylor
Contributor
Here's my favorite gem (Though more narrow than you might be looking for):
Zombies Drafter: Come on. Throw it back at me. I dare you.
Maybe it's not so bad at 360, but I've always wanted more discard available for black, since it's the color's main form of interaction other than removal.
You were looking at ways to tie your blue section to the sacrifice/pod themes, so I suggest lots of clones: the interaction with undying/persist creatures is second to none, and they also help you jump up the pod chain (Though only if such a creature is already in play)
I'm currently testing Wakedancer as a pod/zombies card (But sadly I haven't gotten any games in with it yet)
Depending on how amenable you are to proxies, Shadowborn Demon looks promising, from the M14 spoiler.
Oversold Cemetery is usually worth testing in such a graveyard centric enviornment
Krenko, Mob Boss is a card that has been preforming admirably for me: Feeding Eldrazi Monument, Providing Red decks with inevitability, and being generally a better curve topper than I expected him to. Shoutout to Kranny for the suggestion on him.
Pyreheart Wolf performed well for me before I added the pods, he's been excellent afterwards.
The red deck might not really need the help but, Brimstone Volley. My god.
Lastly, While I recognize that your multicolor sections are REALLY right (3 cards each, how do you live?!?!?), Voice of Resurgence seems like it would perform well.
Zombies Drafter: Come on. Throw it back at me. I dare you.
Maybe it's not so bad at 360, but I've always wanted more discard available for black, since it's the color's main form of interaction other than removal.
You were looking at ways to tie your blue section to the sacrifice/pod themes, so I suggest lots of clones: the interaction with undying/persist creatures is second to none, and they also help you jump up the pod chain (Though only if such a creature is already in play)
I'm currently testing Wakedancer as a pod/zombies card (But sadly I haven't gotten any games in with it yet)
Depending on how amenable you are to proxies, Shadowborn Demon looks promising, from the M14 spoiler.
Oversold Cemetery is usually worth testing in such a graveyard centric enviornment
Krenko, Mob Boss is a card that has been preforming admirably for me: Feeding Eldrazi Monument, Providing Red decks with inevitability, and being generally a better curve topper than I expected him to. Shoutout to Kranny for the suggestion on him.
Pyreheart Wolf performed well for me before I added the pods, he's been excellent afterwards.
The red deck might not really need the help but, Brimstone Volley. My god.
Lastly, While I recognize that your multicolor sections are REALLY right (3 cards each, how do you live?!?!?), Voice of Resurgence seems like it would perform well.
Hi Chris, thanks so much for all the great feedback!
Regarding specific cards (the linked list is perhaps out of date):
Brimstone Volley is in the list and has been performing wonderfully. I really love the Morbid mechanic.
Pyreheart Wolf has been on the border for me. My current red 3-drop section is:
Chandra's Phoenix
Hell's Thunder
Manic Vandal
Tuktuk the Explorer
All the cards there work pretty well with my themes already, but I'm certainly open to arguments.
Voice of Resurgence is in for Gattock Teeg as soon as I get my hands on a copy.
I'll give Krenko a test. My only real experience with him is in a Minimasters tournament, so that hardly qualifies as good experience. Most of Kranny's finds are a little light on power level for my cube, although they are good discoveries. That is perhaps one of the benefits of running a lower powered list.
I do like Oversold Cemetery. Despite the Gravecrawlers though, I don't really have much of a graveyard theme at the moment. It's an area I plan to explore, and I always love these techy suggestions.
Shadowborn Demon is an interesting curve-topper. I like that it's synergistic, and not just brute force. I'll hold out for a real copy though.
Wakedancer is pretty sweet. I have it lined up for my next cube project, and is currently competing with Pawn of Ulamog. I'll give it a test!
Regarding specific cards (the linked list is perhaps out of date):
Brimstone Volley is in the list and has been performing wonderfully. I really love the Morbid mechanic.
Pyreheart Wolf has been on the border for me. My current red 3-drop section is:
Chandra's Phoenix
Hell's Thunder
Manic Vandal
Tuktuk the Explorer
All the cards there work pretty well with my themes already, but I'm certainly open to arguments.
Voice of Resurgence is in for Gattock Teeg as soon as I get my hands on a copy.
I'll give Krenko a test. My only real experience with him is in a Minimasters tournament, so that hardly qualifies as good experience. Most of Kranny's finds are a little light on power level for my cube, although they are good discoveries. That is perhaps one of the benefits of running a lower powered list.
I do like Oversold Cemetery. Despite the Gravecrawlers though, I don't really have much of a graveyard theme at the moment. It's an area I plan to explore, and I always love these techy suggestions.
Shadowborn Demon is an interesting curve-topper. I like that it's synergistic, and not just brute force. I'll hold out for a real copy though.
Wakedancer is pretty sweet. I have it lined up for my next cube project, and is currently competing with Pawn of Ulamog. I'll give it a test!
Chris Taylor
Contributor
I could see hell's thunder for Pyreheart wolf. I've never been a huge fan of hell's thunder, since it's not really a creature (mostly a sorcery, I put keldon marauders and hellspark elemental in there too)
As a spell it seems fine, mostly being pulse of the forge with flashback, but it probably shouldn't be counted as a creature in the same way maze of ith doesn't really count as a land in your deck.
As a spell it seems fine, mostly being pulse of the forge with flashback, but it probably shouldn't be counted as a creature in the same way maze of ith doesn't really count as a land in your deck.
CML
Contributor
i love pyreheart wolf, i think it's worth a try. it's just a good card
countryside crusher, cunning sparkmage, staggershock, sulfuric vortex, seismic assault round out my red 3's (excluding a big gold section). crusher is all kinds of fun but can be frustrating when you need to hit another land drop and cannot. sparkmage is sweet, cube should have at least one pinger effect!
i dislike hell's thunder, not sure what to think of vandal / phoenix / tuktuk. how have they been playing?
last point: ghoultree looks amazeballs
countryside crusher, cunning sparkmage, staggershock, sulfuric vortex, seismic assault round out my red 3's (excluding a big gold section). crusher is all kinds of fun but can be frustrating when you need to hit another land drop and cannot. sparkmage is sweet, cube should have at least one pinger effect!
i dislike hell's thunder, not sure what to think of vandal / phoenix / tuktuk. how have they been playing?
last point: ghoultree looks amazeballs
Cube has Grim Lavamancer!
Really surprised you guys don't like Hell's Thunder. He's everything I want in a red aggro deck, and works amazingly with sacrifice effects. It's pretty much a perfect fit, mechanically speaking. These sorts of effects are perfect in the Carrion Feeder / Goblin Bombardment / Blood Artist decks.
Tuktuk has been nothing short of awesome, and has dozens of fun interactions to boot. In the right deck, here's his common lines:
The turn you cast him: swing for 1 damage
The next turn: swing for 1 damage, turn him into a 5/5
or...
The turn you cast him: swing for 1 damage, turn into a 5/5
Nobody blocks him, so you get free haste damage, then you set up your plays to profitably get a 5/5 (e.g. Innocent Blood, Fleshbag Marauger, Birthing Pod, Cabal Therapy).
Really surprised you guys don't like Hell's Thunder. He's everything I want in a red aggro deck, and works amazingly with sacrifice effects. It's pretty much a perfect fit, mechanically speaking. These sorts of effects are perfect in the Carrion Feeder / Goblin Bombardment / Blood Artist decks.
Tuktuk has been nothing short of awesome, and has dozens of fun interactions to boot. In the right deck, here's his common lines:
The turn you cast him: swing for 1 damage
The next turn: swing for 1 damage, turn him into a 5/5
or...
The turn you cast him: swing for 1 damage, turn into a 5/5
Nobody blocks him, so you get free haste damage, then you set up your plays to profitably get a 5/5 (e.g. Innocent Blood, Fleshbag Marauger, Birthing Pod, Cabal Therapy).
Chandra's Phoenix is also a fun recursion creature that is one of the few evasive sources of creature damage red has. Sequencing your plays to rebuy a phoenix is great fun.
Dom Harvey
Contributor
I swear I posted this before so apologies if I'm repeating myself, but now that you have 20 fetches, 4 Wastelands, and presumably lots of useful activated abilities, how about Rings of Brighthearth?
Yes Dom, I've seen that suggestion before. It's on my list to pick up in my next order. For my weekend draft I'll be testing the following changes:
In:
Out:
I suspect many of these cards will find their way back into the mix, but that's why they call it testing.
In:
Out:
I suspect many of these cards will find their way back into the mix, but that's why they call it testing.
Plow Under is definitely the objectively stronger card. Just need to see how Primal Command fares, especially with all these Gravecrawlers running around. Half a Plow Under + tutor a creature isn't too shabby either.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
Poor Ash Zealot 
Accidentally Hosing the Gravecrawler deck.
Interesting to see Reckoner and Blasphemous Act coming in. Is that more for funsies, or was there a specific impetus behind that?
Accidentally Hosing the Gravecrawler deck. Interesting to see Reckoner and Blasphemous Act coming in. Is that more for funsies, or was there a specific impetus behind that?
Part funsies, but I'm also interested in seeing how each card performs individually.
CML
Contributor
be careful with BTE, she's really really strong
zombie cutthroat is just terrible :[ people would tell me it was droolworthy in OLS draft and even then it was a bad, bad card
i'm gna try brimstone volley
ghoultree is sweet but consider tombstalker instead of or in addition to
zombie cutthroat is just terrible :[ people would tell me it was droolworthy in OLS draft and even then it was a bad, bad card
i'm gna try brimstone volley
ghoultree is sweet but consider tombstalker instead of or in addition to
I'll give Tombstalker another look. It's one of those cards that is "bad" by conventional cube wisdom, but, I'm pretty far from conventional at this point.
Zombie Cutthroat was a suggestion for jumping from 3 to 6 with Pod. I am skeptical, but that's not going to stop me from testing it!
I would advise anybody running Char to just straight swap it for Brimstone Volley. Power level is close enough, and one of them is just a much better card design and leads to better gameplay.
Zombie Cutthroat was a suggestion for jumping from 3 to 6 with Pod. I am skeptical, but that's not going to stop me from testing it!
I would advise anybody running Char to just straight swap it for Brimstone Volley. Power level is close enough, and one of them is just a much better card design and leads to better gameplay.
Well, this whole conversation is really getting me excited to make a more graveyard-focused cube, but I still need to finish churning out that Eldrazi-Domain monstrosity first.