Card/Deck Scapeshift in Cube

[Jason Waddell]

Is there something here?

 

[Onderzeeboot]

If you support Life from the Loam (a card which I squadroned) it could have some uses maybe, and it thins out your deck? Still seems pretty poisonous though...

 

[Laz]

Duh.

 

[Onderzeeboot]

Ah yeah, I forgot about landfall, which I curiously don't run in my cube. Less poisonous than I thought in that case It's certainly a card that can put more lands onto the battlefield in one turn than any other single card can on turn (save maybe Fastbond, but how realistically can you put 4+ lands into play on turn 4+ with that?).

 

[Goldenpineapple]

Pretty much that. It was a finisher in a friend's landfall casual deck before it exploded in modern, could do the same for cube.

If you support the dark depths / thespian's stage combo it does something there too.

 

[Jason Waddell]

Pretty much that. It was a finisher in a friend's landfall casual deck before it exploded in modern, could do the same for cube.

If you support the dark depths / thespian's stage combo it does something there too.

I have the Cloudpost package in my utility land draft. Also, lots of utility lands.

 

[Goldenpineapple]

Is it really worth and a card to swap your current lands for a couple utility lands that don't murder your opponent, though? Is it better than sylvan scrying or expedition map to get your gavony township? If you go get a couple posts this isn't any different than explosive vegetation, and if you get more you're neutering your colors.

 

[Onderzeeboot]

If you decide to add it, I would also consider adding Valakut to the utility land pile.

 

[Meltyman]

Necro?
Oh well, i decided to try this one out.

What my cube can use it for (720)

Spoiler

 

[vennythekid]

So now that we've got more spell lands and landfall cards from BFZ, how do you see Scapeshift in terms of potential?

 

[Jason Waddell]

the spell lands are nice, but we already had some spell lands. What new landfall cards are actually cube-able?

 

[Onderzeeboot]

Scapeshift makes some of the retreats look really good (the red one gives +8/+0 at the very least, for example). I don't know that such a play is really conducive to an interesting match though.

 

[Kuldahar]

EDIT: I dunno what's going on with this post....

Titania, Protector of Argoth

 

[Jason Waddell]

Scapeshift makes some of the retreats look really good (the red one gives +8/+0 at the very least, for example). I don't know that such a play is really conducive to an interesting match though.

I think it's worth testing at least. The bigger question to me is if the retreats are playable on their own. I might just make a land cube though...

 

[James Stevenson]

I think it's worth testing at least. The bigger question to me is if the retreats are playable on their own. I might just make a land cube though...

360 lands, a box of basic creatures and utility spells draft?

 

[blacksmithy]

360 lands, a box of basic creatures and utility spells draft?

Tonight on 'What's Trending at BTP'...
I think the bigger your landfall/land recursion theme gets, the more powerful Scapeshift becomes as a finite-combo card (see the Retreat to Valakut post above). Now, do you want a finite combo in your cube? Not everyone does. Do you want to proxy Scapeshift and slam into a test decklist? Well, I do, now.
But seriously...

And that's just old cards!

 

[FlowerSunRain]

I'm adding Scapeshift in my update. Between landfall, ULD and lands in the graveyard mattering, it is definitely a strong piece in a lot of decks and pretty hilarious on top of that. We'll see if it seems too "comborific" for tastes

 

[Rasmus Källqvist]

There was some talk of "Bant Lands". Maybe we can whip together a sample list using some of the new lands, knight of the reliquary and scapeshift?

 

[blacksmithy]

Are you talking like a decklist or just a list of considerations? Btw i just realized Venser PW can give you an extra landfall trigger every turn with his +

 

[Rasmus Källqvist]

No an actual example of what the deck would look like. I feel like it would be easier to judge the considerations if we have a reference.

 

[Jason Waddell]

 

[Fulcrum]

I can see these being the back bone of a midrange deck that uses Scapeshift to generate enough value to vault itself over the opponent to a win.



You can Scapeshift to kill your lands and make a giant, protected, Knight of the Reliquary. Retreat to Coralhelm adds redundancy and an additional way to make a giant, protected, Knight of the Reliquary.



These red creatures can be used to clear the way for your green fatties or to finish an opponent off while doing a Valakut impression



Scapeshift can find lands that can combo with each other




These cards can do a Scapeshift impression and play nicely with Titania



You can throw Valakut into the Utility Land Draft and try to recreate the modern decks in draft



Splendid Reclamation makes your lands trigger again after you've binned them Scapeshift.



A good place to see Scapeshift mesh with a midrange deck is to check out Legacy Nic Fit Scapeshift decks. These decks have the usual Nic Fit Plan A of ramping into midrange threats that legacy isn't equipped to handle while also threatening a Plan B of Scapeshift + Valakut. If you throw Valakuts into the utility land draft I think your decks will resemble Nic Fit rather the RUG decks in modern.

Here's a decklist if you're curious: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=12777&d=274101&f=LE

Some of this is rambling and some of this is stuff people posted earlier in the thread.

Also, Jason, this was what I thought when I saw you post Tireless Tracker

 

[GiftsForgiven]

Does the big bad Gitrog monster himself synergize appropriately? Draw 5-6 seems sweet.

 

[Fulcrum]

Does the big bad Gitrog monster himself synergize appropriately? Draw 5-6 seems sweet.

Just another way to win with Laboratory Maniac