By my lazy count, there's around 67 cards (including fetches) in my cube that interact, to some degree of favourability, with Brainstorm. I don't know if 20 copies per cube is correct per se and obviously not all 67 cards I counted are like, slam-dunk-always-relevant scenarios, but I think it's worth the slots I've given it for now, at least, even if all it did was help miracles (and it does more than that). It's a card that outperforms its competitors when appropriately tuned, and that sort of "kinda worse sometimes and clearly awesome other times" potential seems worth it to me. If people wanna throw it into a no-fetch/no-synergy deck I figure it's still drawing you a card a turn faster and might help in some rare corner case, so whatever. I don't really care if people aren't optimizing for it, because they usually don't notice or care themselves, anyway, and the potential added depth it provides for the occasional surprise corner use is worth it to me.
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Dom Harvey
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I played 3x Thoughtseize for a while; it felt bad but probably necessary.
If you play a lot of Brainstorms it shouldn't replace the other selection spells, since they aren't meant to do the same thing. Make room somewhere else if it's that crucial.
If you play a lot of Brainstorms it shouldn't replace the other selection spells, since they aren't meant to do the same thing. Make room somewhere else if it's that crucial.
Grillo_Parlante
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I really want to add Persecute actually, what does it play like over there? How many cards does it usually hit, does it get run out turn four or in response to things, et cetera...
Also the thoughtseize/brainstorm interaction is great and pretty common in Legacy, Magic's Most Elegant Format
Dom Harvey
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I never enjoy watching Legacy for some reason
Grillo_Parlante
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The next level way to play persecute is to run it alongside into the roil, repeal, or remand to make sure you hit something. In the resdesign cube I even slotted in evacuation, because thats basically the dream. Than there is the stone cold soul read persecute where you figure out what they have based on lands and spells played: thats my favorite.
I've traditionally jammed it on turn 4, which may or may not be the right way to play it. Its been literally years since I've played persecute, so I could be doing it wrong. I have massacred some people with it, than I've had it where I was wrong and completly whiffed. In those latter cases, I probably should have waited a little bit to get a better idea of what their hand was like, but there is always going to be a tension on when you should fire off a 4cc spell.
I love the whole dynamic of playing with it, trying to figure out what their hand is composed of, and how intimidating it is to play against. I really hate it when people stick to a strategy based slowly playing out higher CC cards and persecute really changes the way those players must play the game. Instead of being able to nurse critical threats, using the hand as a comfortable safe zone, and waiting until they think they've ran me out of removal, it puts them in a position where they are being pressured to add to the board. It preys on decks and players that want to be overly positional, or durdly, and it also provides a valuable ubiquitous answer that lets me run higher powered interactions like combo.
Having access to that sort of effect just really helps draw a metagame distinction between decks that can sequence spells efficiently, and decks running higher power spells that aren't as efficent at sequencing. I love things that add a feeling of real structure to an environment.
But of course its a 4cc sorcery, and I don't know if thats too slow for a cube more focused on rate of spell casting.
magic broadcasting sucks, legacy broadcasting sucks more because it takes as a given you already play legacy and hate magic commentators. The format is so dense with decision points and basically everything matters all the time, but it rarely gets broken down live because you need to comment on the fact that someone's playing a card, not just that it exists in the format. SCG's Open coverage is usually pretty solid but that's literally the only time in Legacy coverage that even comes close to being true.
I used to think cricket was really boring to watch until I'd played it, too! If you wanna check out more videos at any point I'm sure I (or someone else here!) can drop you a few match videos that stand out. MTGO legacy vids are often nice too because you don't need to identify cards at a weird angle, through sleeve fog and foil glare.
If it punishes the decks you say it does it's going in my cube instantly. Very very excited to test it.
I've always been tempted by Persecute after seeing it in the Pincer, but I am very shy to add sorceries. Maybe I'll give it a shot soon; it looks like it could be fun and I like it for the same reason safra does!
Any experience with
? Looks like it could be a fair Mind Twist.
Any experience with
? Looks like it could be a fair Mind Twist.
Grillo_Parlante
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Legacy is my favorite format to watch. Tom Ross playing infect is always awesome.
Check out this insane match. Game 3 is legendary, and starts at about 28:37. This is the kind of stuff that made me really start to rethink the way I approached aggro.
This is such a well played match on both sides. The entire thing is worth watching, but again, its the incrediable game 3 that is so amazing. It starts at about 30:38
Than there is this match: aka the greatest match in the history of the game.
Check out this insane match. Game 3 is legendary, and starts at about 28:37. This is the kind of stuff that made me really start to rethink the way I approached aggro.
This is such a well played match on both sides. The entire thing is worth watching, but again, its the incrediable game 3 that is so amazing. It starts at about 30:38
Than there is this match: aka the greatest match in the history of the game.
Awesome choices, i'll post a few more tonight! But i'm sorry, this is the greatest match in the history of legacy, so amazing some guy watching translated all the commentary from Japanese to English:
(tom ross is The Boss even before springsteen is)
Grillo_Parlante
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I've always been tempted by Persecute after seeing it in the Pincer, but I am very shy to add sorceries. Maybe I'll give it a shot soon; it looks like it could be fun and I like it for the same reason safra does!
Any experience with
I was thinking of looking at:
For a higher power format. No idea though
I'm not sure you wana play with mind twist if it's fair. I mean I've played a tonne of persecute but I feel like wholesale discard would rub a lot of you guys the wrong way. It's also really hit and miss if we are talking about gameplay. Wide discard is too frustrating to allow early and too weak and contextual to relegate to later turns. Add the fact you have to draft a card that looks like it costs a lot, is colour heavy and doesn't effect the board to the selection process and you've got an ugly gambit.
Chris Taylor
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How about we make a thread for grillo's legacy picks
Addle costingis just Cabal Therapy with training wheels.
that people will draft
Chris Taylor
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Addle costing
And without flashback
Grillo_Parlante
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Over here the the first few turns are usually spent on development of some kind, so persecute ends up in a sweet spot where it isn't wreaking some guys early development, but it still has targets by the time it comes online. The format is also grindy enough where if you get hit by it, you will probably have the time to rebuild your hand.
You guys tend to have faster formats, and I kind of imagine persecute feeling pretty bad when the opponent has already played out several threats, and you are skipping on turn 4 board development to try to hit whatever is left in their hand.
I love Unmask! If you do try it on, please let us know how you get on. I'm trying Rakshasa's Secret at the moment, though it hasn't got to the table. I was happy playing it in Sultai during Khans draft and I reckon it could be a go-er with a stronger graveyard theme. We'll see.
We are talking about a largely singleton environment that you secretly draft right?Addle costing
Chris Taylor
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Don't forget it changes constantly!
Chris Taylor
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I worry about kitty whispers being too slow for most cubes, given it's not always even playabale in regular draft