General [SPM] Marvel's Spider-Man

LadyMapi

LadyMapi

Onderzeeboot said:
I feel you! Superhero stuff really isn’t my cup of tea either. I think I can actually count the number of Marvelverse movies I watched on no hands, though I do still want to watch those two movies with the Raccoon, because they look like they have humor and I’m an eighties kid ;)
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I've seen more than that, but that's because I had a friend who refused to believe that I didn't like superheroes and kept dragging me to see Marvel movies. That's pretty much what made it go from "neutral" to "negative" for me.

Onderzeeboot said:
That said, I do wonder how many of the common legendaries you are going to see.
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There's been some conversation about



for White Weenies - the deck already runs a full playset of Kor Skyfishers to repeat ETBs and Battle Screech/Prismatic Strands to tap down creatures without attacking, so a potential 3/3 for {W} that dodges a staple removal spell is certainly of interest.
 
Onderzeeboot

Onderzeeboot

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Jason Waddell said:
Is Web Slinging sorcery-speed?
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Web-slinging is an alternate cost, it still abides by all the timing restrictions of the card it is on. You could conceivably have web-slinging on an instant, or a creature with flash, and then you’ld be able to web-sling at instant speed, but on everything else it doesn’t give you the ability to cast a spell at instant speed.


LadyMapi said:
I've seen more than that, but that's because I had a friend who refused to believe that I didn't like superheroes and kept dragging me to see Marvel movies. That's pretty much what made it go from "neutral" to "negative" for me.
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Oof, that’s… that friend should just accept that not every franchise is for everyone. But also, you do know that you can say no, right? Would have saved you a lot of wasted time :oops:

LadyMapi said:
There's been some conversation about



for White Weenies - the deck already runs a full playset of Kor Skyfishers to repeat ETBs and Battle Screech/Prismatic Strands to tap down creatures without attacking, so a potential 3/3 for {W} that dodges a staple removal spell is certainly of interest.
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Yeah, I just saw someone mentioning returning Thraben Inspector with this, and I was like, yeah, I can see that. Peasant has a Wee Bee deck that’s successful, which runs all kinds of self bounce. And Cast Down is a staple there as well. I could see this being played there too.
 
ravnic

ravnic

Wow, this is where they bring back kinda-madness? Seriously? I never felt as bad looking at a magic card like when I read "Spiderham, Peter Porker" ... I mean, if that's not over the line for you, you don't have one.

Also, can we talk about how stupid it is to have 20+ versions of a character? Maybe stories that so heavily revolve around a single character don't mesh well with the concept of a draftable 300 cards booster release, just maybe ....
 
shamizy

shamizy

I like Spiderman as a character, but I kind of hope that this one fails because it's a little too far gone into Fortnite-lite territory for me. I don't think there's enough depth with Spiderman alone for a whole set (they should have just done a Marvel one as a whole). It's going to be very jarring to have multiple versions of the same Spiderman on the battlefield at common, uncommon and rare in a game of Limited.
 
Seeker

Seeker

shamizy said:
I don't think there's enough depth with Spiderman alone for a whole set (they should have just done a Marvel one as a whole)
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on the one hand, I agree with you
on the other hand, this is very clearly "how much money can we print, can we get away with one set for spider-man, one set for iron man, one set for captain america..."
 
Onderzeeboot

Onderzeeboot

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Seeker said:
on the one hand, I agree with you
on the other hand, this is very clearly "how much money can we print, can we get away with one set for spider-man, one set for iron man, one set for captain america..."
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Oh yeah, they're hoping Marvel = ca$h in the bank! And they're probably right, to an extent. I can see this selling really well, and I don't know how to feel about that. I mean, Magic doing well means they will keep printing one of my main hobbies, but on the other hand, half of what they are printing doesn't appeal to me at all...
 
Nanonox

Nanonox

I love that passage goes unnoticed in a random cube except for the set symbol. They even “fixed” the UB borders.

I really like Symbiote Spiderman even though I doubt I’ll be cubing with actual spider people.
 
Velrun

Velrun

ravnic said:
I never felt as bad looking at a magic card like when I read "Spiderham, Peter Porker" ... I mean, if that's not over the line for you, you don't have one.
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I was told I need to look inward and work with my emotions. And then I would be able to play Standard without having to look at these cards.

There are some people who have no boundaries. Nothing is over the line for them!

Edit: Okay I am done complaining for this set. It’s probably annoying to read.
 
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Schafkurai

Schafkurai

Brad said:
Why this set kinda fire??

Looking forward to the arena release and the art hitting mtgpics to proxy those.
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It's a strange feeling I've been having. My theory is that they are putting more work/money/effort/power into the Universes Beyond sets as they need to make sure those sell well and what better thing to get people excited about cardboard than printing strong, exciting cards.

All of the two mana transform mythics look pushed to me, for example this guy:


It's 3/4 worth of stats that you have to work a little for but can spread over 2-3 bodies and transforms into a busted mythic. At least they had the decency to make the transform abilities 3 colors.

The spider man set looks more powerful to me than Edge of Eternities and my guess is that stronger cards will lead to more cardboard sold, which in turn leads to "look at it, everyone loves Spider Man - the Set (=Universes Beyond)". Maybe a bit pessimistic but I can't really shake the feeling when a new UB is previewed.
 
Seeker

Seeker

MaRo said something interesting on his tumblr:
rowanalpha asked:
Spiderman seems to have 80ish less cards that EOE and other standard sets. How is that going to affect draftability?

MaRo:
Spider-Man was designed specifically for our new Pick Two draft format. It’s the same as booster draft with two exceptions. There are only four drafters and you draft two cards at a time out of the booster. It’s a much faster draft format (and requires half the people). Try it out.
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I don't think I mind "fewer cards per set", but I'm a little skeptical that these two points are actually related...
 
Seeker

Seeker

I will say that I'm pro-smaller sets if we're going to have this goddamn many of them. Makes it easier to manage the firehose. And I don't just mean for Cube, also Standard - I'll let you know when I stop finding a new standard-legal card from Foundations once per week!

But like, I have no idea how that maps into 4 player drafts ("see each signpost uncommon more often"? but every card exists for a purpose, you can still draft the deck even if you don't see a specific card) or how that's related. It's just "buy PRODUCT".
 
Nemo

Nemo

I'm very interested to hear how the 4 player pick two format works out, and how the set is designed differently to accomodate this format. The multiverse land is cool. Glad they fixed the bad border, so maybe I'll find a few cards I like here after all. It will depend on flavor and art, and it has to be good enough to make me tolerate the expansion symbol. I foresee some commander reprints of UB cards in the future that will appeal to me. I hate having Spiderman in MtG, but it's cool, because I don't ever have to see that stuff in my cube.

Edit: picking two in a 4 player draft is a clever solution for smaller drafts. It sucks to pass a pack around for a third time and see cards you didn't want the first two times you looked at them. This brings some variant ideas to mind, like picking one card the first pick or the first few picks, then picking two until the pack is finished.
 
Seeker

Seeker

Nemo said:
It will depend on flavor and art, and it has to be good enough to make me tolerate the expansion symbol. I foresee some commander reprints of UB cards in the future that will appeal to me. I hate having Spiderman in MtG, but it's cool, because I don't ever have to see that stuff in my cube.
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How do you feel about the starter-deck spider symbol? I think it looks like a "normal" mtg expansion symbol, honestly. Compare:
 
Mown

Mown



Kind of neat, theming aside. The names are very reprintable at least, although it's not all that obvious why scouting a city would kill a flier.
 
LadyMapi

LadyMapi

ellogeyen said:
I agree that might not be the reason, but I wouldn't mind 4-player drafts becoming normalized. It could make organizing them, as well as seeing the expectations for cube, far more manageable
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I know, right?

Personally, I'm a little curious about how this "new" drafting method is going to mess with drafting odds. Assuming everyone values the cards equally (which I know isn't true, but let's pretend), you're going from getting the 1st and 9th cards of your packs to getting the 1st, 2nd, 9th, and 10th cards...
 
Mown

Mown

They had this draft format in the commander set and the sentiment from I think Seth was negative. It's much quicker, and a lot more committal. I also think 4p drafts are prone to deck quality problems this doesn't really solve.
 
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