Am I the only one who always wished Extricator of Sin would be either green or black instead?
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Dom Harvey
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Extricator is sweet, I'll have to try that
Bygone Bishop has been a lot better than Mentor of the Meek for me. The type of deck that has a bunch of cheap creatures usually wants to curve out and use the relatively low cost of its threats to develop its board more and more quickly. Having to pay the 1 upfront is a big cost. For me, I'm exploring a lot of artifact synergies atm so that makes Bishop a no-brainer.
Bygone Bishop has been a lot better than Mentor of the Meek for me. The type of deck that has a bunch of cheap creatures usually wants to curve out and use the relatively low cost of its threats to develop its board more and more quickly. Having to pay the 1 upfront is a big cost. For me, I'm exploring a lot of artifact synergies atm so that makes Bishop a no-brainer.
Also, for the people who really want there to be a synergy pay off, as long as you're running whirler rogue there's a pleasant surprise there for the person who drafted both of those cards and some equipments. I know this because it has happened to me!
Pia and Kiran Nalaar have been my drug of choice to pair with Bygone Bishop but this certainly sounds like a helluva spicy win-con! :eek:
Ban this guy.
Vizier of Many Faces and it aint even close
Can target any creature, "flashback" costs less.. Fantastic card all around. The decks interested in Counterpart > Vizier are looking to cast lots of spells, and as such typically have a paucity of good targets for it anyway, so they just leave it in the sideboard. Cackling Counterpart is a cool concept but just doesn't find a home easily imho
Can target any creature, "flashback" costs less.. Fantastic card all around. The decks interested in Counterpart > Vizier are looking to cast lots of spells, and as such typically have a paucity of good targets for it anyway, so they just leave it in the sideboard. Cackling Counterpart is a cool concept but just doesn't find a home easily imho
We better re-name this page Atlantis Lab or Wanderwine Hub Lab.
I'm testing Counterpart right now, and so far it has been decent thanks to instant speed. My hope is for it to be strong in the blue graveyard lists where you can get multiple Honored Hydras or Nighthowlers, but I could see me replacing it easily.
Vizier is A LOT stronger imo. Clone isn't bad and this is just Clone + another Clone. Busted.
Vizier is A LOT stronger imo. Clone isn't bad and this is just Clone + another Clone. Busted.
Okay, one is VERY conditional while the other seems to be the best of all the clones out there. I guess I'm going without clones in my cube then, most of the time they aren't even fun. :>
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I want to add another cc6-finisher besides new Linvala, but both of them look very strong. What are the arguments?
vs I want to add another cc6-finisher besides new Linvala, but both of them look very strong. What are the arguments?
Sun Titan has a much higher base power level. The trigger is easy to get value off of. Yosei, the morning star can create a really degenerate lock if you can sac/recur it each turn (like with Feldon of the Third Path or something like that). The floor on yosei I feel is lower. If you can't abuse it, you get a fat flyer with no ETB effect and get a time walk when it dies. If they exile it, you get nothing.
I think all the Titans are a bit OP, so while I think Sun Titan is interesting, I can't bring myself to run it. Card is a little too good. Yosei is more the power level I prefer to be at (and I love cards with really high ceilings), so it's my personal choice between the two.
I think all the Titans are a bit OP, so while I think Sun Titan is interesting, I can't bring myself to run it. Card is a little too good. Yosei is more the power level I prefer to be at (and I love cards with really high ceilings), so it's my personal choice between the two.
Clone effects are great because they can help to counterbalance bombs; they're never better than the best thing on the board, meaning that parity can be re-established when you're behind (copy villain's best creature) or an edge can be turned into a winning state (copy your own best creature). A lot of times, they're effectively a removal spell that can be much more interesting than just a removal spell, and I find Vizier of Many Faces to be about perfect as far as power level goes, because there are so many variables making Clone itself potentially undesirable. Breaking down the scenarios...
- Passable to good pseudo-removal for big beaters (Charging Monstrosaur, Sifter Wurm)
- Mediocre to bad against small aggressive threats looking to grow (Quirion Dryad, Student of Warfare)
- Potentially very exciting when copying creatures with on-board abilities, assuming you can use them (Kiku, Night's Flowering your Kiku, Night's Flower came up last draft, which was amusing and memorable)
Pick 2 to cut:
My thinking was that I would cut Scrapheap Scrounger. I like the card, but I feel like it may be false signalling since I have an artifact theme, but it is in RW and not in black at all. Probably need to find another one to cut as well.
My thinking was that I would cut Scrapheap Scrounger. I like the card, but I feel like it may be false signalling since I have an artifact theme, but it is in RW and not in black at all. Probably need to find another one to cut as well.
Keep the Scrounger. So much. Would play in rw.
Drop
Highborn
Flash guy
Rat
Scrivener
Drop
Highborn
Flash guy
Rat
Scrivener
Yeah rat was another one I was thinking about cutting. I am trying to get a discard theme going on which is why I have Blood Scrivener in there. It just seems hard to find cards that can go into a discard theme deck that aren't extremely narrow (like cards with madness which seem like they will only get picked by that exact theme). Scrivener seemed to be a flexible card that would reward discards.
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
I would cut Pack Rat for being disruptive to interesting gameplay and being a very hard removal check.
I would cut Relentless Dead for being too color intensive and supporting a tribe that feels like it's not your main tribe. From these two drops it seems like you put more of a focus on vampires, so the other two BB cards seem like a better fit.
I would cut Relentless Dead for being too color intensive and supporting a tribe that feels like it's not your main tribe. From these two drops it seems like you put more of a focus on vampires, so the other two BB cards seem like a better fit.
Yeah I like Asylum Visitor. Definitely going to add that in and take out Blood Scrivener. Thanks for the suggestion.
As far as supporting Zombies, these are the cards that syngergize with Zombies:
That doesn't include cards that just count as Zombies, obviously.
That doesn't include cards that just count as Zombies, obviously.
Basically Zombie tribal is in blue and black, vampire tribal is in red, white, and black.
*Ahem*
FUCK PACK RAT. That one card single handedly ruined so many RTR games by itself.
Sorry, I played a sealed PTQ where I 0-2 dropped because I faced turn 2 Pack Rat in both rounds. I have held a grudge against it ever since.
It’s a genuinely unfun card, though. Don’t run it.
FUCK PACK RAT. That one card single handedly ruined so many RTR games by itself.
Sorry, I played a sealed PTQ where I 0-2 dropped because I faced turn 2 Pack Rat in both rounds. I have held a grudge against it ever since.
It’s a genuinely unfun card, though. Don’t run it.