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dice rolling is the core variance mechanic of d&d. using a randomized deck of cards is the core variance mechanic of mtg no need for both

i was cool on it at first, but i think it’s VERY close with Basri’s Lieutenant for me as my “second favorite white 4drop” (resto obvy is numba one) and i’m kinda sad that i only have room for one at my current size

this is indeed a pretty sweet aristocrat for low-mid power environments

i think it fits in the treasures power band pretty nicely yeah

Hurl through Hell pretty much canonically puts this kind of effect in RB pie though

reasoning: fractured identity is pretty bad in my kind of environment, therefore, moving the cost down by 1 probably makes it good EDIT: also if i make a token copy instead of casting the actual card then i avoid mixing up cards mid draft

honestly i might run a custom Hurl through Hell that gives you the critter for free EDIT: the fly is cool

my new favorite counters package is

necro double post! the more i dive headfirst into OP fixing the more i like this guild. just look at this lands micro archetype! Which utility lands you use is totally up to you! I do a custom cycle of Threshold lands myself.

sounds like a good way to enable the 5c deck, i’m for this

i like the convergence of treasures and converge, hadn’t thought of that! just the other day i used an Abundant Growth to hit X=4 on Kaleidoscorch in a Jund deck. (i would caution that Painful Truths is super high power if you can actually get all 3 cards out of it reliably. it’s a high pick in...

yeah i wouldn’t personally run this in my cube as basically everything costs 3 or less and fixing is stupid good. but i think for a lot of mid power synergy cubes this is a cool option for grixis

some that come to mind immediately for me are Cyclonic Rift, Sublime Epiphany, Upheaval and Wildfire (lol), Battle at the Bridge, Profane Command, Burst Lightning, Roil Eruption, Nullpriest of Oblivion, Sea Gate Stormcaller, Cut//Ribbons, and the Inscriptions.

With AFR joining the cube domain, i think this is an archetype we can finally look at developing. There are many cards in these colors now that provide treasure tokens as a rider on a core effect, and a few cards that reward us for having treasures, or, more broadly- lots of mana that we only...

yknow, just by reviving this thread, you all have convinced me to run GSZ, Elvish Reclaimer, and Weathered Wayfarer (and Tithe but i was gonna do that anyway) so thanks everyone! custom art treatments behind the spoiler

i mean it’s six mana and doesn’t immediately win the game or even mostly win the game so yeah it’s probably pretty low power

I have a few things in my cube for making Gifts piles that would apply here: Timeless Dragon Sevinne’s Reclamation Skyclave Shade Woe Strider Cling to Dust Blast from the Past Faithless Looting Firebolt Kaleidoscorch Vengevine Master of Death Cut//Ribbons Priest of Fell Rites Lingering Souls

mine are “customs” :marofl:

i kind of wonder if this effect on a 2/1 for 1G without forestwalk would actually be playable…