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That is interesting, because I see it as a very go-big deck kind of card. Low-curve decks doesn't sound like those who would want to win through attrition? I can understand that it takes possibly too much work too get it above firebolt level, but maybe it slots better in a GR ramp deck than a RB...

Was that a matter of the card, the format or a lack of resources during the games you played it with? I haven't gotten a chance to play with it but I want to believe there is a fun deck with vortex and loam.

I think it's a pretty cool concept. Like Laz is saying (implying?) it goes pretty well into the land-theme we were talking about earlier? The question is what density of land-fetchers can be run at a regular power level? Does it become too slow? It does seem like a nice angle for the GR midrange...

Some men just want to watch the world have posts like that. Doesn't FTK depend a lot of what else is going on in the cube? I could see where there's so much power and solitaire where it might not really matter as much. In most riptidey cubes it feels very good stuff.

I'd like to put more emphasis on big red as well, so there for sure seems to be a lot of great options.

Yeah. I think you can squeeze about three cards from this on the play? Which is fine! But it's probably really slow. Doesn't matter how many cards you have when your dead.

Delver is a fan favorite over here, so I'll stick to that. I'd run 2x Delver 1x Cloudfin, for the occasional UR/UG aggro deck. hero of oxid ridge vs hellrider Which one gets to stay?

wow that astrolabe was a ride.

I'm convinced. I'm cutting all my one power prowess guys without looking back.

I'm not a fan of it either. Miracle just feels like a very swingy mechanic overall! azorius justiciar Does it give aggro decks some reach or is it just too slow and too durdly?

Snapcaster mage Archaeomancer Raven Familiar Tower Geist stoneforge mystic Phyrexian Delver Most of these are conditional. Tricky game to play!

For me the attraction to Roil was that it presented green a chance to feel kinda controlly. I might be misinterpreting how it plays tough. It feels like a less busted assemble the legion.

Probably, but that card also presents a way more one dimensional play and draft experience.

Isn't that a nice trick to give a format more depth though? Pinpoint things colors are doing and how the could do it in tandem and then put choose card playable on their own that support that intersection.

I think rogue actually is very very playable all by itself. It's such a utility card in that it provides a lot of bodies (some with evasion) as well as granting whatever fatty you have a way to become a very short clock.

zendikar's roil I drafted a really sweet GB control deck using this and a languish among other things. Is it worth running in cube? I'm really not sure if its on the strong or weak side. During the draft I got a good 4-5 bodies out of it and plays nicely with ramp cards, so I think it does...

So I saw Quirion Dryad (arguably a poor card) and Managorger Hydra (arguably a pretty good card) and thought to myself, is there a subtle theme here? Green cards that can be splashed in any of the Jeskai-colored spell decks? Are there any good green cantrips that you'd wanna splash? Vines of...

Is this just like, a general abstraction of how you want the packs to be perceived or are you actually seeding the packs?

I'd actually think it'd be sweet if we get an updated serra angel. A 4/4 vigilance beater but with some smart upside that makes it a bit more exciting and gives it more play. Not sure what, maybe a tithe or some way to manipulate the game in the control players favor?

Is there an overlap in making ub an interesting color pair as a tempo/control player by looking at black's capabilities as a control color? I'm considering moving somethings over into different sections of the color pie in my cube, and making blue and black more stand alone control colors (ie...