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Ehhhhhhh....

Wow it's the only one? Good call on that Though worst case:

Unholy GrottoPhyrexian TowerBarren MoorShizo, Death's StorehouseUrborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth Random ideas Volrath's is probably too good for the utility land draft isn't it...

I love bouncing lands, don't love UU :(

Ah, that's what it was Given how many people are okay with erratta in the first place, it's probably not a good solution. And jeez does that say a lot

There really isn't much for black is there :P

It sorta weirds me out that I ever thought bribery was insane. It's a random 5 drop creature. VERY rarely are you stealing 7+ drops with it, and some of those 7 drops aren't even good early. And it's downright AWFUL against aggro :P OCPunisher, I'd agree with basically every card on that list...

Spawning pit: Could be interesting, not a horrible sac outlet, but the returns are pretty bad. Pulses:Everyone except Fields is kinda narrow and bad, and fields can be really opressive. Vinelasher Kudzu: Even with 33/450 fetchlands, this was never really good :( He kinda needs to start as a...

talisman of progress

Then basically each one taps for colorless for the control decks :P I prefer the talismans anyways

Part of the reason I want to keep it at 450 is to at least pretend like I want 8 man drafts :P I'm not a huge fan of stormfront pegasus either, but hawks really better? I suppose it's worth a shot. (I dunno, is it worth the art downgrade from Mistral Charger? That card looks so pretty...)...

I cut boon satyr because I want to keep pump spells smaller than +4/+X. Becuase of the very real possability of double strike creatures getting those pump spells, I've tried to limit the damage that can come out of nowhere. I really don't want a control player sitting and contemplating their...

I kinda forgot about trygon predator :P So I've actually abandoned the initial idea of this thread and just decided to take out all the problem artifacts and enchantments. The problem with signets is they make control decks a turn faster, and red is (usually) the only color that can keep up...

oh christ that looks so painful

Quick Question: Is stoneforge worth running without Swords/Jitte/Batterskull? They're all coming out when I remove all the artifact destruction, so should she come out too? Is it worth having in to fetch...bonesplitter and runechanter's pike?

I love me some annihilator, and lucas I think that ooze is the best damn card I've seen this year :D I kinda wish crusher didn't have to attack though. I imagine it comes up in like 0.00000001% of games, but it still feels weird to me.

Fair enough. I'm always super worried about complexity creep, since just taking your first look at the utility draft is daunting enough, so I'd try and keep it as small as possible (You know, if I ran it :P) The actual cost of throwing it in their even if it is bad probably only matters to me...

Griffin Guide: Love this thing, it's everything I wanted spectral flight to be in a color better equipped to use it, plus some insurance. I might actually double up, if only because white non-removal non-creature cards are SUPER disappointing. It's also super good at jumping geist of saint traft...

Sorry about the delay, school is getting to me :P I won't say there's a fixed number of two drops in a given cube. What I want to say is that you have a certain number (12) and quite a lot of those are hawks (5). I've found that I usually have a derth of really aggro oriented 2 drops between...