This card is terrible. What else should I consider running?
Card/Deck Black 2 drops
- Thread starter Jason Waddell
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This card is terrible. What else should I consider running?
Uh, those are options, but I wonder if there's not a more compelling alternative.
a glance through gatherer
augur of skulls is decent in my friend's peasant cube
apprentice necromancer is pretty sweet in edh/casual, ive never seen it in constructed or cube but maybe it can do things? also zombie
mesmeric fiend
nightscape familiar some folks on here have been saying pleasant things about this guy ive never tried playing with him
pack rat there are some cubes where this card can not just be game ruining bullshit. idk if yours is such an environment or not
skirsdag high priest some people love this guy, i havent tried him in cube though
bad choices imo that ive seen thrown into cubes:
black knight variants
gatekeeper of malakir gets put in a lot of cubes but the dude is so hard to cast, also hes not even a zombie also hes really a 3 drop
gloom surgeon lol
nezumi graverobber is either almost a vanilla creature absolutely bonkers, theres no middle ground with this guy. i dont like cards like that
augur of skulls is decent in my friend's peasant cube
apprentice necromancer is pretty sweet in edh/casual, ive never seen it in constructed or cube but maybe it can do things? also zombie
mesmeric fiend
nightscape familiar some folks on here have been saying pleasant things about this guy ive never tried playing with him
pack rat there are some cubes where this card can not just be game ruining bullshit. idk if yours is such an environment or not
skirsdag high priest some people love this guy, i havent tried him in cube though
bad choices imo that ive seen thrown into cubes:
black knight variants
gatekeeper of malakir gets put in a lot of cubes but the dude is so hard to cast, also hes not even a zombie also hes really a 3 drop
gloom surgeon lol
nezumi graverobber is either almost a vanilla creature absolutely bonkers, theres no middle ground with this guy. i dont like cards like that
Apprentice Necromancer looks splendid.
I run Thrill-Kill Assassin but I don't actually know if I should.
I run Thrill-Kill Assassin but I don't actually know if I should.
I had Pack Rat before. It was definitely not GRBS in my cube. I'll probably just slot it back in. R.I.P. Scrivener
Chris Taylor
Contributor
GRBS?
Also Oona's prowler is a fine card, just not horribly synergistic. I'm usually a fan.
I've got 2/1 ravenous rats and 1/1 flying entomb.
You have blood artist right? He could be doubled up on...
Also Oona's prowler is a fine card, just not horribly synergistic. I'm usually a fan.
I've got 2/1 ravenous rats and 1/1 flying entomb.
You have blood artist right? He could be doubled up on...
Game ruining bullshit.
Eh... I kind of usually only want one Blood Artist even in a heavy sacrifice deck. I run Prowler already, and like it. What about that Undying Zombie? Is he the worst? Butcher Ghoul, is it?
Eh... I kind of usually only want one Blood Artist even in a heavy sacrifice deck. I run Prowler already, and like it. What about that Undying Zombie? Is he the worst? Butcher Ghoul, is it?
i could ask him to double check but butcher ghoul errata'd to be a 2/2 has failed to make any waves in my friend's peasant cube in my experience
list here for reference http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/1590
list here for reference http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/1590
Chris Taylor
Contributor
Yeah he seems terrible.
My version, for reference:
Dauntless Corpse
Creature - Zombie Warrior
Undying
~ Enters the battlefield tapped.
When ~ enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice it. (Alternately Evoke )
2/1
My version, for reference:
Dauntless Corpse
Creature - Zombie Warrior
Undying
~ Enters the battlefield tapped.
When ~ enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice it. (Alternately Evoke
)2/1
Needs power / toughness.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
Ah yes, he's a 2/1
What about Undying + Unleash?
Chris Taylor
Contributor
Then when he comes back from the yard you can unleash him, making him a 4/3.
That was definitely the original templating, but no way am I printing a 4 power 2 drop with the only drawback being "has to die first"
That was definitely the original templating, but no way am I printing a 4 power 2 drop with the only drawback being "has to die first"
Oh, uh, right, forgot about that.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
Yeah. It would have been so elegant too
And alliterative, *sigh*
And alliterative, *sigh*
Can you design a card with Unleash, Unearth and Undying?
EDIT: But maybe in another thread.
EDIT: But maybe in another thread.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
I can but you'll never wanna unleash him the first time
Like say he's a 1/1 for B1 or something
He's either Rakdos cackler meets dregscape zombie, or he's a 1/1, then a 3/3, then a 2/2.
If he's ever an on curve creature, the numbers get too big for his "coming back" mode.
You're right though, now that I think about it most of my black 2 drops are custom:
Bitterblossom
Blood Artist
Bloodghast
Bloodghast
Bumbling Famaliar (Custom)
Dark Confidant
Dauntless Corpse (Custom)
Pack Rat
Strongarm Enforcer (Custom)
Rotting Rats
Squeaking Pie Sneak (Erratta)
Oona's Prowler
And I don't really have a good reason for Oona's Prowler to be in there other than it's not a horrible card.
Like say he's a 1/1 for B1 or something
He's either Rakdos cackler meets dregscape zombie, or he's a 1/1, then a 3/3, then a 2/2.
If he's ever an on curve creature, the numbers get too big for his "coming back" mode.
You're right though, now that I think about it most of my black 2 drops are custom:
Bitterblossom
Blood Artist
Bloodghast
Bloodghast
Bumbling Famaliar (Custom)
Dark Confidant
Dauntless Corpse (Custom)
Pack Rat
Strongarm Enforcer (Custom)
Rotting Rats
Squeaking Pie Sneak (Erratta)
Oona's Prowler
And I don't really have a good reason for Oona's Prowler to be in there other than it's not a horrible card.
Is nether traitor too good in your sac-centric list?
CML
Contributor
Skirsdag High Priest is indispensable in the Wadds al'Kaabah IMO
Oona's Prowler discards shit because Reanimator is fun damnit
Thrill-Kill is worth a try
Gloom Surgeon is the suggestion here i get most excited about, it's a good card
I would put Augur of Skulls in and on probation
the CubeTutor average 720 has the surprisingly good suggestions of nantuko shade and nezumi graverobber, i guess withered wretch is also possible if unexciting
I would not try Butcher Ghoul or Apprentice Necromancer
having tried them, I would really not try Mesmeric Fiend and Nightscape Familiar
Oona's Prowler discards shit because Reanimator is fun damnit
Thrill-Kill is worth a try
Gloom Surgeon is the suggestion here i get most excited about, it's a good card
I would put Augur of Skulls in and on probation
the CubeTutor average 720 has the surprisingly good suggestions of nantuko shade and nezumi graverobber, i guess withered wretch is also possible if unexciting
I would not try Butcher Ghoul or Apprentice Necromancer
having tried them, I would really not try Mesmeric Fiend and Nightscape Familiar
I have built Pauper decks around abusing Augur of Skulls and it's still been awful. Do. not. recommend.
FlowerSunRain
Contributor
A couple of unmentioned cards that are not completely awful, but probably completely inappropriate for your cube:
Long story short, 2 mana black creatures is one of the worst slots in cube.
Long story short, 2 mana black creatures is one of the worst slots in cube.
Anybody have any good design arguments for doubling up on a specific two-drop? Ideally it'd be something non-mana intensive that control decks might also want.
FlowerSunRain
Contributor
I could see benefit to running 2 rotting rats, 2 confidants, 2 reassembling skeletons or 2 Dauthi Horrors, but these are all mana intensive or things that no control deck would want.
