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Nanonox

Nanonox

Taamas

Taamas

Cool stuff! I already was noticing the lands matter wanting to blend into blue. I like how the Vizier reads but I am afraid of the other untapping stuff being narrow outside of a dedicated "concentrate-mana" deck. I had noted Lotus Field but then totally forgot about it. Decks in testing seem not to go very big with mana, but to concentrate enough mana in few lands and to use the rest for stuff like Hammer of Purphoros, Ayula's Influence, Molten Vortex/Seismic Assault, Living Twister, etc. But you could instead go big and cast a huge Red Sun's Zenith, of course.

My cube is this one, but since I am currently testing changes the most updated list is this one here, which will be unstable until I set on the final list.

Would also love to see how you approach this in Temur if you have a list somewhere.
 
Nanonox

Nanonox

List is here (still very rough)
https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/rxsi

It’s pretty high powered and I want combo to be part of the environment. Mana doublers (Mana Flare) act as redundant pieces for the land auras.

I hadn’t thought about using a limited amount of lands (thanks to your untappers) to transform excess lands into other ressources (creatures, burn), that’s neat. I’ll be checking out your list, thanks!
 
Taamas

Taamas

Thanks for sharing!

Yeah, there's also those symmetrical mana doublers, I'm a bit scared of them but maybe giving it to your opponent doesn't matter as much if you are going to exploit it better and there's sideboarding if it doesn't go well in a match.

I'm still not sure it plays well in regards to power level against other decks but it is a puzzle to solve that can go off. I test by playing on Forge against bots, which is something but not the best, of course.
 
LadyMapi

LadyMapi

Sorry! I keep forgetting that removal tribal isn't just a joke name for control. :p

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I think your power levels are too high for the sweetest land untapper:



The card is basically just "What if Satyr Wayfinder was also Lotus Cobra?". It's capable of creating absolutely filthy amounts of mana. How filthy?

This is a plausible curve:

T1: Forest, Arbor Elf
T2: Forest, Utopia Sprawl, Stone-Seeder Hierophant
T3: Forest, Primal Surge
 
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blacksmithy

LadyMapi said:
Sorry! I keep forgetting that removal tribal isn't just a joke name for control. :p

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I think your power levels are too high for the sweetest land untapper:



The card is basically just "What if Satyr Wayfinder was also Lotus Cobra?". It's capable of creating absolutely filthy amounts of mana. How filthy?

This is a plausible curve:

T1: Forest, Arbor Elf
T2: Forest, Utopia Sprawl, Stone-Seeder Hierophant
T3: Forest, Primal Surge
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ooh i would run this at 1G i think
 
LadyMapi

LadyMapi

{1} {G} would be absurd, and not even in a fun way.

T1: Forest, Utopia Sprawl
T2: Land, SSH, hold up some one-mana protection spell.
T3: Land, play an 8-drop.

Making it cost {2}{G} is probably the sensible approach.
 
Velrun

Velrun

Brad said:
How good are the CLB adventure guys like Crystal Dragon, Guardian Naga, Sword Coast Serpent, etc? They look sweet as an early play and a late lite-bomb in something kinda low-mid powered.

DMU had white as a "go wide" theme. If you had to choose a different theme for this super shallow color, what might you choose?
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My starter set is very, very low power and I like cards like this. I don’t run all these because the Naga ended up being a Disenchant I didn’t want for early tournament games and the 7 mana bomb is actually not impressive even in low power. Please try out the other two.
 
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TrainmasterGT

TrainmasterGT

Brad said:
How good are the CLB adventure guys like Crystal Dragon, Guardian Naga, Sword Coast Serpent, etc? They look sweet as an early play and a late lite-bomb in something kinda low-mid powered.
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They're good, but they play differently from the Eldraine adventures. The adventures in Throne of Eldraine usually have two low-cost halves that can be reasonably cast as both adventures or just creatures. By contrast, all of the Adventure creatures in Battle for Baldur's Gate cost 4 or more mana to cast in creature mode. They play like low-cost spells that draw you a mid-tier big thing as opposed to modal cards.

I've definitely enjoyed some of the Baldur's Gate adventures in my Battle Box, primarily Sword-Coast Serpent and Blessed Hippogriff. However, if I were including these cards in my Cube, I would come in with the expectation that they don't play the same as the first batch of Adventure cards from Throne of Eldraine. These new cards might use the Adventure mechanic, but they are not balanced for similar outcomes as the originals.
 
TrainmasterGT

TrainmasterGT

Jason Waddell said:
Note to self:
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I really wish they would finish the Grove of the Burnwillows cycle so I can put Punishing Fire in my Cube and not have it be worse Twin Bolt.
 
Velrun

Velrun

It’s not a cycle though. Just a card.

They specifically chose Gruul to get a ABUR dual land with almost no downside because in Gruul giving life points away is a downside. Imagine one of these in Azorius :p
 
Chris Taylor

Chris Taylor

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I'm with vel here. another 9 Groves is dubious at best.
And like, do you really want buyback shock in your limited format? Does that do good things?
 
LadyMapi

LadyMapi

While I think that fears of the Punishing Fire + Groves synergy are a bit overblown, I agree that making it a full cycle would be a bit much.

I kinda want a black one, though, to combo with Needlebite Trap.
 
TrainmasterGT

TrainmasterGT

Velrun said:
It’s not a cycle though. Just a card.

They specifically chose Gruul to get a ABUR dual land with almost no downside because in Gruul giving life points away is a downside. Imagine one of these in Azorius :p
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If you had said this 16 years ago when these cards debuted, I would have agreed. However, since they're continuing to finish the Horizon Canopy cycle in supplemental sets, and have already finished the Graven Carins cycle, I think Burnwillows is not an unreasonable request. The cycle will always be worse than the ABR Duals, Fetches, and Shocks by virtue of not having basic land types, even if they have some fun synergies built in other cards can leverage,

Chris Taylor said:
And like, do you really want buyback shock in your limited format? Does that do good things?
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It's a cool slow shell. {1}{R}{R} to net 1 damage on the opponent or kill some random utility//aggro creature doesn't seem strong enough to be particularly frustrating in a fast format.

blacksmithy said:
"they" dont want you to know this, but... theyre not the only ones who can finish that cycle for you...
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Damn I should look into that...
 
Onderzeeboot

Onderzeeboot

Ecstatic Orb
TrainmasterGT said:
If you had said this 16 years ago when these cards debuted, I would have agreed. However, since they're continuing to finish the Horizon Canopy cycle in supplemental sets, and have already finished the Graven Carins cycle, I think Burnwillows is not an unreasonable request. The cycle will always be worse than the ABR Duals, Fetches, and Shocks by virtue of not having basic land types, even if they have some fun synergies built in other cards can leverage
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The thing is that the gainlands literally have no downside in decks that don't care about villain's life total, plus it makes games go longer instead of shorter (like painlands). Even though Grove of the Burnwillows is a cute mirror of Karplusan Forest, I think it's a bad design for the game to have around.
 
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