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Onderzeeboot
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I ended up cutting all my MDFC's apart from the Pathways, so I would rate Dryad's Revival highest, personall. That said, if we're ignore that aspect, I agree with Velrun's ranking!
I get why you guys voted Bala Ged Recovery at first but I have to say I didn't expect you to vote Revival higher than Once and Future. Is the potential mill value really worth paying twice the mana at sorcery speed over instant speed? It was also stellar in ELD limited. VOW I didn't really play because it is so full of bombs.
Onderzeeboot
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It's very color intensive (
to get the good result) and it costs four mana instead of 3. Revival is just a lot easier on the mana.
to get the good result) and it costs four mana instead of 3. Revival is just a lot easier on the mana.It's very color intensive (
But that doesn't matter that much as it's not a 4-drop. You cast it in the mid- to lategane where your green decks will have 6+ lands, at which point most 2-color mana bases with decent fixing won't have any trouble casting it with adamant on.
It's not useful when you're splashing green, I'll give you that. But green is probably the least likely color to be splashed anyway. It rather splashes other colors of it's incredible fixing.
But unless you actually mill this, it's worse than getting back two cards at once. Later in the game, when I might be behind especially, I'd rather topdeck once and future, as it's so cheap, that I might actually play two cards out of my yard that turn.
If you are behind, you may not have Adamant. If it's late in the game and you fall behind, you may have already used the front end of Revival. The easiest way to get Revival into the Grave is to just cast it for 3 first. You can literally top deck a land (about 10-17x more likely than top decking Once and Future) and still have a potential out sitting there. Like I get that recurring two cards is good. But you can litreally be sitting on an entirely empty board and hand and still have an out. that's strong.
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But only, if you have drawn it before. The exact same case could be made for OaF, it would just be sitting in your hand. And of I could chose between paying 3 early to get something back, than paying 5 later to get something back again and just paying 4 late to get two things back, I'd still lean towards the latter. Later, you're more likely to have impactful stuff in your yard anyway and in general, if you pay 3-4 mana in the first few turns to get a card back, that could be the reason you got behind in the first place.
Again, if you have the card in hand, you aren't in the situation where Revival is the strongest. Do you have a self mill archetype or not? Because that means it would have a chance of just binning Once and Future. I would rather play Timeless Witness in a self-mill deck than a 4 mana instant that I could "oops" into the grave for no value, especially considering a self-mill deck is probably focused on creatures anyways. And if your cube is in the situation that you get behind by casting a 3 mana card the normal way, why is it in the fight club? If spending 3 mana to recur the best card in your grave at the time gets you behind early, 4 mana would be twice as bad, especially if you don't have Adamant by then. Harmonize probably would be more beneficial if the metric for "card is good" is "gets the maximum number of cards added to the hand".
Like I'm just pointing out actual advantages of a card you asked about.... but you seem to already have an opinion so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Being 4 mana to dig into the graveyard makes the card useless. That’s it. Dryad’s Revival is also a bad card but at least it can help with a fetch land in the early game and have value if your cube has a self-discard theme or a mill theme. Or a Gifts Ungiven. Or if opponent has a mill theme. And cards that can be payed for over several turns are always a little better than they seem. But Bala Ged Recovery is where you want to be. It is two steps up because it always has ‘Cycle 0 that always draws a tapped green land’ as a modal effect.
Eh, is dryad's revival really a bad card?
I like it in low power where the cube has a graveyard theme of some sort. But I can’t personally see it run at high power with no graveyard theme. I could be wrong though.
No, sorry, I didn't mean to sound bitchy or anything. It's just that I also of course thought about it after posting and I think it's interesting how much my conclusion differentiates from others. I am adding Bala Ged recovery at this point anyway, but I still think I'd rather want OaF over Revival.
what I meant with the "it gets you behind" is just that those aren't early game plays anyway. I neither want to spent turn 3 or 4 to get back a card, I want to use these to refill after I hopefully already made some impactful plays. Which is why the triple green seems to be a non-issue most of the time. I do think that Timeless Witness is better than both, but it might just be a little too much value for what I am looking for. It is basically a 4-for-1.
Revival is bad UNLESS the specific deck where it’s good (self-mill combo/control) is a good deck in your cube. you have to be able to count on 1. your games going very long and 2. having high impact spells that are worth spending a total of 8 extra mana on to recast twice. it’s just a very slow card, even if the value is there.
Chris Taylor
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Bruh this is an instant?You know what's potentially a sweet "grab a card from your graveyard" card?
There's also
I'm leaning towards Dryad's Revival being too slow for my cube. I thought the flashback would make it more valuable than Regrowth, but a 3cmc Regrowth just feels too clunky to me.
I'm leaning towards Dryad's Revival being too slow for my cube. I thought the flashback would make it more valuable than Regrowth, but a 3cmc Regrowth just feels too clunky to me.
You Happen on a Glade is pretty dang gassy. Two lands or a permanent at instant speed is strong.
After reflection, I'll update my ranking of the above to
Bala Ged recovery > dryad's revival > Once and Future
I'm including Revival for some very specific functionality, and Recovery is better in a general role (or one of the instants mentioned above). Revival helps ensure that my lands archetype can find and/or recur the one or two centerpieces as needed, including grabbing it back from the grave, from the grave. Especially this:
Which dodges creature recursion, can't self-recur, and misses instant/sorcery recursion too. And can be key to deck operation so its paramount that the deck can attempt to field it in as many scenarios as possible.
After reflection, I'll update my ranking of the above to
Bala Ged recovery > dryad's revival > Once and Future
I'm including Revival for some very specific functionality, and Recovery is better in a general role (or one of the instants mentioned above). Revival helps ensure that my lands archetype can find and/or recur the one or two centerpieces as needed, including grabbing it back from the grave, from the grave. Especially this:
Which dodges creature recursion, can't self-recur, and misses instant/sorcery recursion too. And can be key to deck operation so its paramount that the deck can attempt to field it in as many scenarios as possible.
Yep!
I like it a little better than Fungal Rebirth, since it's still an OK card if you don't have a good target.
You Happen on a Glade is pretty dang gassy. Two lands or a permanent at instant speed is strong.
After reflection, I'll update my ranking of the above to
Bala Ged recovery > dryad's revival > Once and Future
I'm including Revival for some very specific functionality, and Recovery is better in a general role (or one of the instants mentioned above). Revival helps ensure that my lands archetype can find and/or recur the one or two centerpieces as needed, including grabbing it back from the grave, from the grave. Especially this:
Which dodges creature recursion, can't self-recur, and misses instant/sorcery recursion too. And can be key to deck operation so its paramount that the deck can attempt to field it in as many scenarios as possible.
Can youe cube support Seismic Assault?
Onderzeeboot
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By the way, I run
Yes. Its a focus archetype for me
Just putting out some tentacly feelers for the Innistrad cube I'm building.
Undecided on how much Human synergy to include.
Clue payoffs are currently Briarbridge Patrol, Briarbridge Tracker/Tireless Tracker, Confront the Unknown, Ulvenwald Mysteries, Ethereal Investigator and Eloise, Nephalia Sleuth. Not sure if I'll have room for things like Fleeting Memories or Tamiyo's Journal. And I feel a bit awkward looking at Byway Courier and Tireless Tracker side-by-side.
Undecided on how much Human synergy to include.
Clue payoffs are currently Briarbridge Patrol, Briarbridge Tracker/Tireless Tracker, Confront the Unknown, Ulvenwald Mysteries, Ethereal Investigator and Eloise, Nephalia Sleuth. Not sure if I'll have room for things like Fleeting Memories or Tamiyo's Journal. And I feel a bit awkward looking at Byway Courier and Tireless Tracker side-by-side.