Card/Deck Low Power Card Spotlight

[ravnic]

How good is this card?

 

[MilesOfficial]

How good is this card?

Seems totally fine. I like the design but wish it was one less mana or instant speed.

 

[Rusje]

End of your next turn, so you can play them in your next turn as well. I do not know the powerlevel in your cube but if draw 2 for 3 mana repeatedly is way too strong, then it is likely too strong.
In my urza block cube it would be crazy strong

 

[ravnic]

Yeah, my Cube's above yours in terms of poeer level I think, but I am also a little worried that might be too good here, especially considering my low curve.

How about this card? It was kinda bad in BLB limited. Could it be better in cube?

 

[Nanonox]

Yeah, my Cube's above yours in terms of poeer level I think, but I am also a little worried that might be too good here, especially considering my low curve.

I don’t know about being too good. It’s a 3 mana Tormenting Voice where you have to discard a land.
It obviously has the upside of being cast multiple times and discarded for value but 3 mana is fair.

 

[Mown]

I don’t know about being too good. It’s a 3 mana Tormenting Voice where you have to discard a land.

It's not. Tormenting Voice is +0 on card advantage, Embrace is +1, it's a major difference.

I feel like it's mostly a card for red decks to find their reach in the late game, maybe some spell velocity decks would like it too, but it's kind of limited how many decks want to cast divination over and over. It's not the worst one-card lategame plan though.

 

[Rusje]

Yeah, my Cube's above yours in terms of poeer level I think, but I am also a little worried that might be too good here, especially considering my low curve.

How about this card? It was kinda bad in BLB limited. Could it be better in cube?

Thing is, it costs 5, that’s why it is likely bad. With the embrace the cost is 3, which could allow you to play an additional spel this turn. Furthermore the embrace can be used much earlier to make land drops and so on.

 

[Nanonox]

It's not. Tormenting Voice is +0 on card advantage, Embrace is +1, it's a major difference.

Fair, I was thinking of the retrace ability, so second and subsequent casts. The first cast is a worse Divination though, nothing crazy.

 

[Mown]

Fair, I was thinking of the retrace ability, so second and subsequent casts. The first cast is a worse Divination though, nothing crazy.

Well, yes, obviously, I was too. Embrace continues to be a divination even as you retrace it is my point, not just the first time you cast it, Tormenting Voice is balanced around being CA neutral.

 

[Nanonox]

Well, yes, obviously, I was too. Embrace continues to be a divination even as you retrace it is my point

Brain fart on my end, didn’t account for the fact you aren’t casting from hand! Proceed.
(Still think the card is fair for mid power).

 

[ravnic]

Thing is, it costs 5, that’s why it is likely bad.

But with a cheap curve around it, it can deal out ~3×2 damage in addition to drawing two cards or making two treasures, to get you board presence back.

 

[Rusje]

But with a cheap curve around it, it can deal out ~3×2 damage in addition to drawing two cards or making two treasures, to get you board presence back.

How many cheap cards do you have in hand on turn 5/6? Likely not many. Hoe many cheap cards do you draw with 2 additional cards? Likely not many.
It is highly variable and likely nowhere close to 3x2. More likely just 2 damage. Is that enough?

 

[ravnic]

I think 2 is underselling it. It should be very easy to cast two spells until the end of your next turn, which means you also get the draw for turn.And if this is really my last card in hand, chances are I'm not totally behind, in which case Tidings is a fine mode as well.

 

[Rusje]

If you are behind then it is not a good card due to its conditionality. If you are ahead then yes tidings is great. It is quite versatile, which is nice. The only way to know for sure is to try it out.