Card/Deck Low Power Card Spotlight

[Rusje]

Cloudgoat Ranger gives you a 3/3 you can make into a dragon in addition to the 3 1/1s! Pretty comparable to Elspeth, and that was a change I looked to make back in the day.

hmm, I do not agree that the cloudgoat is comparable to elspeth. Thing is: there is more creature removal (con for the goat), cloudgoat is a one trick pony (but blink power!). Elspeth makes tokens and stays alive, let alone the agency that elspeth gives. Yes you can attack elspeth, but you can choose to guard her.

Planeswalkers are often value machines, clocks, and answers in one (and do not need other cards to shine). The goat is just a clock spread over bodies.

 

[ravnic]

Is Jace really that powerful? I've played against him in a cube with a power level compareable to mine (maybe 5% higher, but not much more) and it felt not too crazy. Isn't he just a slow draw spell if you don't get to the ultimate? Like, I feel like he's not above stuff like Fact or Fiction really.

 

[Seeker]

Jace is the type of card that's so simple players don't feel bad loosing to it. IMO that makes Jace a good choice for Cubes that normally wouldn't play cards as powerful as he is.

Part of the reason (some) players don't feel bad losing to it is that they don't know they're losing to it (again, imo) - like Phyrexian Arena, but with loyalty.

Is Jace really that powerful? I've played against him in a cube with a power level compareable to mine (maybe 5% higher, but not much more) and it felt not too crazy. Isn't he just a slow draw spell if you don't get to the ultimate? Like, I feel like he's not above stuff like Fact or Fiction really.

The ultimate being written on the card is about the entire power level you get out of it - when it kills, it really didn't, because you had an unanswered Jace for 4+ turns and could have just been -1ing - but I think it's probably... around as good as Fact or Fiction as a card? Maybe slightly better, 3 mana is so much better than 4, and it provides a different style of "opponent has choices that impact how many cards you get" that I think is a little stronger. But that's not me insulting Jace! I think the other four shown are cards I would all put far below FoF. Maybe Elspeth Tirel would at least be in the conversation, but I'd put her several rungs below Jace.

 

[LadyMapi]

Any reason why you're not considering my favorite Nissa?

 

[Chris Taylor]

Any reason why you're not considering my favorite Nissa?

Lemmie tell ya playing against this thing without trample/flying/hero's downfall felt miserable when I ran it.
-2 almost never activated, just block, block, block into draw 7 cards

 

[IanGitax]

So, I was considering some lower powered planeswalkers for my occasionals module. I don't want them to be too oppressive and snowbally, they needed to be good but not too good in an environment where Honored Hydra or Seeker of the Way are fine cards to take early. I also wanted them to be not to wordy, as I hate nothing more than reading planeswalkers where each ability is 3-4 lines of text. These are my five candidates right now:



Now I want to know if you think that any one of them could be too much for my Casual Champions Cube.

The 6-drop starter deck planeswalkers feel way too weak even at your cube’s power level. Since you’re avoiding FTKs, I’m guessing you want to avoid the standard “-x kill, +x for card advantage” template. Some options: