General Planeswalker Density

Laz

Developer
edit: motion to change "my opponent" to "it." i.e. "does it have it?" etc.


I am constantly getting told off for referring to babies as 'it'. I am sure that once they are larger they will take on a gender, but I just don't see it yet. Plus, nothing says social awkwardness like getting the gender of someone's most precious newborn incorrect (except maybe not making any attempt, and using 'it').

On topic: I don't know what an appropriate density is. At the moment I run 12 at 360, and that has been ok, but I don't know if they are the right 12... Or even if 12 is the right number. I like playing with planeswalkers, and seeing them in packs, but I haven't missed them in the Scuttle-cube (which runs zero).
I am not sure if planeswalkers actually increase the decision density of play very much, as most activations do not require too much assessment (Jace, Architect of Thought and Liliana of the Veil are nice exceptions), and playing against them often ultimately comes down to 'can I ignore that?'. Maybe this is a relic of not knowing whether they are the right walkers. Perhaps a reasonable question is simply 'Which planeswalkers are actually interesting to play with/against?'
 

CML

Contributor
yes, the joke was "yo your friend should stop being a twat"

curb is extremely misogynistic
 

CML

Contributor
the character of larry david is

much like yourself (by your own admission)


hard to dispute that the show's attitude towards the women on it is anything other than derisive. his wife and her friends are horrible, humorless, self-righteous cows, which is IMO a defect with the show because if more of the women had personalities (like Wanda or Susie or the hooker in "The Diamond Lane," all of whom are at least a little awesome, there would be greater complexity).

i've always envisioned "Lady Planeswalker Society" as something like this ("language warning")
 
I'm running 19/450. Enough walkers are niche/inefficient enough that I don't really mind having a bunch of them. My playgroup enjoys the opportunity to play with them and there are plenty of ways to kill or marginalize walkers.
Gideon is probably the biggest offender and the most likely to get cut whenever I get around to my next major update.

List:
Ajani, Caller of the Pride
Gideon Jura
Jace Beleren
Jace, Architect of Thought
Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
Liliana of the Veil
Chandra, Pyromaster
Koth of the Hammer
Garruk Relentless
Garruk Wildspeaker
Venser, the Sojourner
Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
Domri Rade
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Vraska the Unseen
Kiora, the Crashing Wave
Ral Zarek
Ajani Vengeant
Karn Liberated
 

Chris Taylor

Contributor
Gideon is probably the biggest offender and the most likely to get cut whenever I get around to my next major update.

He is one to watch out for. I'm trying him again because my creatures have gotten bigger and hit harder than last time he was around, so the +2 isn't always time walk and he lives anymore.

Man I wish he started with 4 loyalty or something
 

CML

Contributor
CML thinks the women on a show are the one who are awful, news at 11.


the Curb women on the whole indisputably have terrible personalities. this is somewhat less true in the Sopranos (though Janice and Livia are some of the most universally reviled characters in TV history), not really true in the Wire, and not true at all in Arrested Development because who doesn't love


furthermore i have also gone on record criticizing the knuckle-dragging attitude towards women in star trek. many jokes to be made about how kirk chases tail in every episode because he never gets laid, how counselor troi's "superpower" is only that around a bunch of nerds, the entirety of voyager etc. in conclusion, just because you're right and i'm an asshole doesn't mean you get to be dumb and not enjoy it. also uhura is superfine

p.s. has anyone else heard of tara babcock? have i brought this up before?
 

VibeBox

Contributor
btw, for those who haven't seen it what's funny here is that the most common theme of curb is "larry is incapable of reasonable interactions with people, because that sometimes means acquiescing and he can't accept being made to shut up just once even if he's maybe correct"

the show goes out of it's way to show the people around him get increasingly short and fed up with larry even though they're p much normal annoying wealthy people when interacting with not-larry
 

CML

Contributor
if you played competitive magic you might have a better grasp of what is "good" but please do not degenerate this into a discussion of power-max

more seriously: haha come on the world of Curb is full of preposterous female characters. obviously the preposterous characters are not limited to women. marty funkhouser is a prick too. about half of larry's one-off antagonists also have penises. yet i am not sure who would find the character cheryl's personality attractive. analogous people come out of the woodwork in social media regularly. they stand on ceremony and are such 'good' people they would rather ruin a friendship than countenance an unkind word. (i will go on at the risk of overexplaining the joke.) they will judge people on a lack of ideological purity, however, this ersatz sense of judgment (inseparable from their non-existent senses of irony) makes them very easy to manipulate. manipulating them is mean, but at least it can be funny. treating them with respect can only end in boredom and misery, yet they excommunicate everyone who doesn't (convincingly pretend to) and thereby treat the symptoms of their low self-esteem. when i hang around this kind of person, male or female, i realize i am unhappy and have that same sense of being a 'good person' and have forgotten how to make a joke and i dislike myself. i have often hung out with women i would not have hung out with if they were dudes and i assume this is a common experience, as well as a running joke on curb, a joke that is on the larrys. as for the larry character, i admire his attempts to rise above this, but i wonder why he hangs out in such terrible company. i couldn't manage six seasons about "annoying people on MTS"

anyway, this sort of person does exist and their hypocrisies are amusing. like other unhappy people, they assume everyone else thinks like them and thereby attribute self-righteousness and mean-spiritedness to jokes, which is not always untrue. were these people to be cast as ridiculous (if harmless) anti-larrys in curb, and they generated a few laughs there, then they would have found their true calling. it's quite noble of larry to make fun of them. they don't really enjoy themselves. someone might as well. if someone never laughs at themselves, you see, it is imperative you do that for them. yet the joke can get old fast. it may be the case the show is impossible to enjoy unless you see yourself, through old-man glasses, as larry. my read is that it's pretty self-indulgent, but as far as that kind of humor goes it's a thousand times less insufferable than Woody Allen
 

VibeBox

Contributor
the most common theme of curb this thread is "larry CML is incapable of reasonable interactions with people, because that sometimes means acquiescing and he can't accept being made to shut up just once even if he's maybe correct"
 

CML

Contributor
there are hundreds of threads where i've changed my mind on here but if your narrative requires you to believe that's true sure ok

really though
 

VibeBox

Contributor
nothing i said has anything to do with you "changing your mind", but it takes empathy and giving a shit what other humans say or think to understand such things so i'm sure it shocks no one that you don't get that
 

Onderzeeboot

Ecstatic Orb
Judging this and our recent dicussion, acquiescing and shutting up aren't exactly your strong suit either. Also, how did this discussion turn from a funny comment to taking it out on CML with one-liners?
 

VibeBox

Contributor
Judging this and our recent dicussion, acquiescing and shutting up aren't exactly your strong suit either.
well, i'm sorry you feel that way about our recent exchange which i thought was quite tame and interested me, but oh well i can't fully control my impression upon others.
in this case however, i fully admit to being obstinate.

Also, how did this discussion turn from a funny comment to taking it out on CML with one-liners?
he's had it coming a long time with all the awful shit he spouts, and i've had some time on my hands lately so i've been exposed to it frequently enough to draw my ire.
if even one person on here came to realize how gross he is because of what was drawn out of him above then this was worth the time. it only took a couple seconds here and there after all, and the alternatives are endorsing by silence his hateful idiocy or stop coming here altogether.
i'd rather stick around as sporadically posting lurker because silly me, i actually still kinda think this site is a tiny step in the right direction of changing the repulsive tenor of magic discussion. (and the neat cube ideas obv)
 

Onderzeeboot

Ecstatic Orb
well, i'm sorry you feel that way about our recent exchange which i thought was quite tame and interested me, but oh well i can't fully control my impression upon others.
in this case however, i fully admit to being obstinate.
I totally enjoyed our discussion as well, I just though it was kind of hypocrite to accuse him of that, when we were both arguing back and forth just a few days ago without either of us acquiescing to the other's opinion :p

he's had it coming a long time with all the awful shit he spouts, and i've had some time on my hands lately so i've been exposed to it frequently enough to draw my ire.
if even one person on here came to realize how gross he is because of what was drawn out of him above then this was worth the time. it only took a couple seconds here and there after all, and the alternatives are endorsing by silence his hateful idiocy or stop coming here altogether.
i'd rather stick around as sporadically posting lurker because silly me, i actually still kinda think this site is a tiny step in the right direction of changing the repulsive tenor of magic discussion. (and the neat cube ideas obv)

I have lurked around here long enough to notice CML uses the foulest language of all people on here, something Jason doesn't always agree with either. I don't know that it's worth completely derailing someone else's thread with Guerilla Tactics over this. I get completely annoyed when stuff like this, especially vicious personal remarks, warranted or not, takes more than three posts away from a topic. I like care bears, okay?

In other words, Gideon was in the last 3-0 deck in our cube. The card is very, very good. When you got some good blockers out it's a one-sided The Abyss. He's definitely the planeswalker I'm keeping my eye on the most.
 

VibeBox

Contributor
as long as we're on the subject, lets just make sure it's documented as plainly as possible.

SKYPE said:
[01:30:29] CML: i enjoy unbridled misogyny
[01:30:56] Josh Patrick: i enjoy riduculing misogynists : -)
[snip]
[01:31:59] CML: fwiw i heavily support closing gender pay gaps, maternity leave, reproductive rights, and ridicule of religion
[01:32:03] CML: you can call me a misogynist feminist
[01:32:40] Chris Taylor: The "everyone is equally stupid" argument? :p
[snip]
[01:49:31] CML: nah men are less dumb
[01:49:40] Chris Taylor: Wow cml
[01:49:44] CML: which means they have less excuse for treating women poorly

aaaaaaaw, see ladies? he knows your dumb, but he still cares.
 
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