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Onderzeeboot
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No consideration for this guy? Sure is a lot cheaper than Fulminator Mage to acquire, and it works just as well really.
+1 to red land destruction! At one point I ran both Fulminator Mage and Avalanche Riders, as well as this
Blood Moon effects are a little too swingy for my liking, though. Usually nuking their best nonbasic is enough to do the trick.
Blood Moon effects are a little too swingy for my liking, though. Usually nuking their best nonbasic is enough to do the trick.
Wow, that is actually a really neat design. The echo cost probably never gets paid, it's just there to encourage you to play more redlike and swing and go and go all in. I think it's a lot better than the hasteless apes.
But all this land destruction love is surprising me, I thought land destruction was Bad For Magic?
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Onderzeeboot
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Don't confuse love for land destruction spells with love for land destruction decks. It's good to have answers for stuff like Gavony Township, but it's no fun if you can't cast any of your spells because you can't get past two mana.
A single piece of LD is great play for an aggressive deck to make to extend the early game by a turn.
In terms of LD, I've currently got:
And I've been considering Fulminator Mage for its synergy with K-Command.
Avalanche Riders (and other echo creatures) is fantastic in Pod decks as sacrifice fodder.
Fulminator Mage is sweet, I've been cubing with it as long as I've had a copy and it's been awesome every time. You're taking up a turn's worth of resources to cast it most times so it's pretty fair, only busted if you come up with some sorts of shenanigans to break that resource parity (i.e. Unearth, Alesha ability, etc.).
My land destruction package consists of Fulminator, Acidic Slime and Wastelands. I guess Song of the Dryads sorta counts as well by attacking a greedy manabase. I can't really find a 4 drop slot for something like Avalanche Riders at the moment, but I'd love to try it out in the near future sometime. Nonbasic land hate is a great way to keep people honest in Cube and is fine when it isn't oppressive.
Blood Moon is something that I would not consider cubing because of how narrow and uninteractive it is, but Magus of the Moon seems fine simply because a body is easier to remove than an enchantment.
My land destruction package consists of Fulminator, Acidic Slime and Wastelands. I guess Song of the Dryads sorta counts as well by attacking a greedy manabase. I can't really find a 4 drop slot for something like Avalanche Riders at the moment, but I'd love to try it out in the near future sometime. Nonbasic land hate is a great way to keep people honest in Cube and is fine when it isn't oppressive.
Blood Moon is something that I would not consider cubing because of how narrow and uninteractive it is, but Magus of the Moon seems fine simply because a body is easier to remove than an enchantment.
Here's what I run for nonbasic hate:
(the FT is a clunky Hadestown reference. not sure if it's necessary?)
I'm really curious about Magus of the Moon and will be testing it out; my guess is that it's too heavy-handed but it might be a really interesting angle for red decks and hey, it also interacts with fetchlands. I want my players to respect fetching basics and he's not the worst way to lean on that. (the worst way is probably blood moon, so again, caveat magus)
The thing that I like the most about Avalanche Riders is that it prompts you to find some way to get extra value out of it. Whether that's flickering it in response to the Echo trigger, reanimating it after, sacrificing it before, whatever, the base rate on an 8-mana 2/2 is so bad that even your least intuitive drafter will look to find something. If you emphasize a humans-matter theme don't forget to get the Time Spiral version since it's the only one typed "Human Nomad".
(the FT is a clunky Hadestown reference. not sure if it's necessary?)
I'm really curious about Magus of the Moon and will be testing it out; my guess is that it's too heavy-handed but it might be a really interesting angle for red decks and hey, it also interacts with fetchlands. I want my players to respect fetching basics and he's not the worst way to lean on that. (the worst way is probably blood moon, so again, caveat magus)
The thing that I like the most about Avalanche Riders is that it prompts you to find some way to get extra value out of it. Whether that's flickering it in response to the Echo trigger, reanimating it after, sacrificing it before, whatever, the base rate on an 8-mana 2/2 is so bad that even your least intuitive drafter will look to find something. If you emphasize a humans-matter theme don't forget to get the Time Spiral version since it's the only one typed "Human Nomad".
I mean, as is, people's red 4's are largely 4/2's or 3/3's with haste that buff your team. Having some LD there would actually be a nice variation for me.
thats what I'm saying people like to make their red sections idiotic and pigeon holed
Yeah, Pia and Kiran Nalaar is basically it for interesting cards in that section right now.
Grillo_Parlante
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Let us not forget flametongue kavu and ember swallower
ember swallower (laziness lookup link)
oh wow, that is just insulting. I thought vanilla creatures like summit prowler were supposed to get bigger bodies, and fancy creatures be a little smaller. Rarity doesn't equal power, claim the sages who write articles encouraging us to buy cards?
oh wow, that is just insulting. I thought vanilla creatures like summit prowler were supposed to get bigger bodies, and fancy creatures be a little smaller. Rarity doesn't equal power, claim the sages who write articles encouraging us to buy cards?
Onderzeeboot
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Oh come on, Summit Prowler is a common, and a very average one at that, of course that matters! Or are you going to complain about Juzam Djinn and Ernham Djinn and countless rares after that as well? Ember Swallower is a sweet card for those supporting Wildfire strategies and nowhere near the most powerful red four drop.
Avalanche Riders has been in every iteration of my cube and it's never leaving. Works really well with Alesha, Who Smiles at Death (or any kind of recurring effect really). I know most people don't like echo, but I'm a fan. It gives you options.
The other LD spell that is pretty much an auto include for me is Mwonvuli Acid-Moss. Ramp/Fixing and targeted LD all in one card (costed appropriately). That card pulls me into heavy green every time I see it early.
That used to be the case, until like 2003. But now most constructed-playable cards are rares or mythics. Boosters are really now draft packs with one slot for a card.
Ok, this is a bit of an exaggeration, there are a couple of playable commons and uncommons. They are usually utility - removal, discard, filler creatures, sideboard material - so few competitive decks are made of less than 40% rares/mythics, which tend to be the centerpieces.
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
I don't really care about Fall, but Rise is awesome! In fact...
That's in my cube
Normies is a word that really puts an awful aftertaste in my mouth.
Want to do something fun with my Izzet section instead of generic Fire/ice, Izzet charm and co...
How do I break this ?
Jhoira of the Ghitu
How do I break this ?
Jhoira of the Ghitu
How about in a control/super ramp shell? Suspend giant bombs, stall for 4 turns, profit. If Jhoira dies, you just hard cast the monsters instead so she is not your only win condition.
It's probably more trouble than it's worth, but I've wanted to break this card too so curious if anyone has put this in their cube and had it be good.