What are the other enablers for this theme? And what are the cool targets?
General Subtheme: Weenie Recursion
- Thread starter Jason Waddell
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What are the other enablers for this theme? And what are the cool targets?
Does this count?
Credit to inscho's peasant cube for inspiration:
These two cards can grab any of the Splicers or any Clone as common ones that are mid-costed. It can also grab anything with Graft or Modular (including Arcbound Overseer). Urbis Protector, Trostani's Summoner, Triskelion, Phantom Nishoba, Noosegraf Mob, Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar are some other cool ones from a quick scryfall search for cmc>5. I'm sure there's more.
Optional, takes the package out of white and makes it bigger. Although one of these is very good anyways:
I love both of the Larks, seriously two of the more interesting white creatures and also great with Ninjutsu!
Shirei is a card I'm definitely going to add to my new cube. Don't know if 5 mana is too slow, but in a dedicated aristocrats.dec it looks definitely like it's worth a shot. Sac'ing everything with Blood Artist or Spiteful Prankster on the field and recurring some of them with Shizo, just to sac them all again sounds like a wonderful scenario with cards like Doomed Traveler or Tuktuk the Explorer.
Alesha has played fairly good in aggressive decks. Good body + good ability.
Shirei is a card I'm definitely going to add to my new cube. Don't know if 5 mana is too slow, but in a dedicated aristocrats.dec it looks definitely like it's worth a shot. Sac'ing everything with Blood Artist or Spiteful Prankster on the field and recurring some of them with Shizo, just to sac them all again sounds like a wonderful scenario with cards like Doomed Traveler or Tuktuk the Explorer.
Alesha has played fairly good in aggressive decks. Good body + good ability.
I think if I were to do a weenie recursion package it would look something like:
Then using those to allow for an instant kill with some combination of:
This also has some potential for cross-pollination with a zombies deck:
I'm not sure this is consistent enough to be a real deck, but it does look pretty sweet.
Man I haven't seen Corpse Knight before. Is it any good? Seems like a really good friend of aristocrat decks running Blood Artist and Lingering Souls
Plague Belcher seems crazy strong.
Corpse Knight was pretty good in M20 Limited. If I remember correctly, there was a Peasant cube of someone I know that had it in, according to them with great success. Might even make the cut in 1 of my 2 Orzhov guild slots.
One thing I have to say about him: he's good with tokens, yes, but that's not necessarily the aristocrats.dec. He has an aggressive body and doesn't need a sac outlet, unlike Blood Artist.
Edit: Artist doesn't necessarily need a sac outlet either, but it's a lot better with it. Just in case someone wants to misunderstand me.
If I remember correctly, there was a Peasant cube of someone I know that had it in, according to them with great success. Might even make the cut in 1 of my 2 Orzhov guild slots.One thing I have to say about him: he's good with tokens, yes, but that's not necessarily the aristocrats.dec. He has an aggressive body and doesn't need a sac outlet, unlike Blood Artist.
Edit: Artist doesn't necessarily need a sac outlet either, but it's a lot better with it. Just in case someone wants to misunderstand me.
Okay, let's throw everything in:
I especially like Sorin and Nullpriest because they naturally cross-polinate into lifegain themes in BW. A lot of the Ixalan vampires are good in that regard too.
I love Nullpriest! It's super flexible and it makes it in to so many decks.
I especially like Sorin and Nullpriest because they naturally cross-polinate into lifegain themes in BW. A lot of the Ixalan vampires are good in that regard too.
What are good 2 and 3 CMC recursion targets? What gives sweet value while still being reasonable?
fleshbag marauder is fun to recur. Not necessarily good at higher powers, but really fun.
selfless spirit has been mentioned before. A solid flier that saves a bigger dude or maybe the entire board, multiple times if recurred.
Missed in my above post, does the targeting/recurring all by itself: bloodghast
selfless spirit has been mentioned before. A solid flier that saves a bigger dude or maybe the entire board, multiple times if recurred.
Missed in my above post, does the targeting/recurring all by itself: bloodghast
Dom Harvey
Contributor
I see two themes here that offer different incentives:
- Returning high-impact but low-cost threats (Unearth, Lurrus, Ojutai's Command etc)
- Returning low-power (in the power/toughness sense) but high-cost threats (Reveillark, Alesha, Imperial Recruiter)
There's some overlap here (e.g. Sylvan Advocate is cheap enough on both metrics but acquires high power at a later time) but it's worth noting the distinction. For the latter:
- Returning high-impact but low-cost threats (Unearth, Lurrus, Ojutai's Command etc)
- Returning low-power (in the power/toughness sense) but high-cost threats (Reveillark, Alesha, Imperial Recruiter)
There's some overlap here (e.g. Sylvan Advocate is cheap enough on both metrics but acquires high power at a later time) but it's worth noting the distinction. For the latter:
On a lower power level, these may also be interesting:
Has anyone had success with this one? It looks sweet, but I didn't like it when I tried it.
ideally with 
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
Gruesome Menagerie looks 1 mana too expensive for a deck interested in running enough 1-, 2-, and 3-drops to enable the card.