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General Your Favorite Tier 2 and 3 Removal/Interaction Spells
- Thread starter Jason Waddell
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What qualifies as tier 2? Things that aren't the best in their space for removal, or things that aren't normally playable at higher power levels?
Like, are these tier 2:
What about these?
Or these?
Chris Taylor
Contributor
I have a tough time calling that T2. Would you look at a cube running Burst Lightning and Mana Leak and think "pretty low powered, based on these second tier spells"?
Just because it isn't Lightning Bolt would make it tier 2 in Modern or a large singleton break, sure, but most cubes are interested in more than one 1 MV burn spell. Burst Lightning feels well within the top tier of 1 MV singleton burn.
That's the vibe I get from "tier 2." It would be something intentionally lower powered, like Shock or Strafe, or making a power sacrifice to fit a theme/role, like Pyrite Spellbomb. It wouldn't be "anything not Bolt."
Of course, it's all open to interpretation, but I think that's a really high bar.
I can't imagine Mana Leak being anything but tier 1 interaction.
Criminally underplayed removal:
Lazier Goblin is awesome
Chris Taylor
Contributor
Okay so whjen I think Tier 1 I think like: Bolt, swords, Dismember,(?) Mana drain
Not mana leak
don't get me wrong, mana leak is great.
But it could be better! (I didn't even see this movie what am I doing other than contributing to the death of language as we know it)
Not mana leak
don't get me wrong, mana leak is great.
But it could be better! (I didn't even see this movie what am I doing other than contributing to the death of language as we know it)
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
i think those are tier 0.
@sigh How much experience do you have with Tangletrap
I fear it is too narrow but I would like to hear what you think.
I fear it is too narrow but I would like to hear what you think.
Don't have much experience with it yet. Might end up being too narrow, but both effects are things that my green section is decently interested in dealing with, so it at least gets some testing.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
I dont love the concept of T0, but I'll grant you that mana drain might be there because it is more than just a counterspell
+1 to primal might. That card is gassy. In a similar vein:
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riptide laboratory[/CI]I think Mana Drain is in a whole different league than all those other cards. By far.
To me, Mana Leak is pretty comparable to those three though it's probably the weakest of the set (it costs 2!). Either way, I believe both Mana Leak and Remand are the most powerful versions of the effect. Counterspell itself is a bit lower because UU is an important drawback when I'm looking for early interaction.
All other good counterspells are much narrower. I can see picking Force of Will, Cryptic Command, Condescend, Forbid and others higher than Mana Leak but only some of the time. On the other hand, I'm always happy with a Mana Leak in my deck.