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I think it would be fine at normal bounceland speeds. It actually folds rather nicely with low power black decks, which have a lot of "rat" type effects to provide hand disruption. I think we've already laid out a reasonable number of cycling effects in white and black, and it shouldn't be...

Thats a fair point, and one I can relate to. I run this card in the penny cube tortured existence Originally, I was kind of on the fence about it because I thought of it as a build around card, which it is in pauper, but it really isn't in cube. Build arounds don't fit into existing decks...

I think its a little telling that we're suddenly now drawing a line between astral slide and lightning rift in terms of narrowness; after immediately having argued that the differences between counterspell and astral slide were relative. I would say that I'm against tutors as a tool to...

You know, there are a few legitimately good black cards with cycling street wraith twisted abomination unearth undead gladiator viscera dragger expunge death pulse Thats some nice density with the white cards, and than you could mix in a little reanimation across white and black

I was kind of wondering if maybe rift could justify itself just off of cycling lands from the BLB? Maybe too cute without actual red cyclers. Thats a good point about it potentially being too good. I would probably give it a try anyways, probably with some sort of cap on how many cycling lands...

I think that looks pretty good, though I would of course like to see the bouncelands to make cloud really shine. This looks like its geared towards being a control deck, with eternal dragon as a finisher, cloud as a ramping source, and a sweeper as well as a few counterspells. Though its...

Yes it does, and the difference is in degrees of dependence. Astral slide is a brick in the absence of specific supporting cards, counterspell is not. That difference is significant. Burning vengeance was a great card in the draft set it was designed for, because it received its build around...

I'm not really following you here, especially this exert That seems to be more a general observation about how drafting works, and doesn't seem to really acknowledge that build around cards draft differently, which is central to the discussion. The difference between drafting an...

When I say range (and its my fault for not first clarifying my language) I don't mean total # of decks a color can support, I mean the degree to which it can flexibly support the major archetypes: aggro, midrange, control. The various colors do this better when they are running a high density of...

Because it only goes in one deck. So if no one is interesting in drafting the astral slide deck, it just ends up wheeling, and its like you were drafting a 48 card white section. Some colors are better able to deal with that than others (blue) but if you have a color that already has a fairly...

I'm not really doing much arguing: its factual that it only goes in one deck, reducing white's range, which can cause the color to feel shallow depending on the context of the cube. I've certainly both rationalized and ran my share of narrow build arounds and supporting tutors. I've generally...

The good thing about slide is that it looks great alongside bouncelands. The bad thing is that it only goes in exactly one deck, reducing white's range; at a power level where its probably the worst color already. A problem which only becomes exasperated if you include narrow white...

I have no idea how these games would play, but these decks looks sweet. I really like how fun and enticing the multi-color options are (except for rakdos cackler).

They are somewhat interchangeable, and that exact distinction was something I had to clarify for myself when I was writing the article. After playing tons of pauper goblins, I think the distinction is, to some extent, also a product of the way the cards practically function within the deck...

Nice. They thought of the bounceland interactions ahead of time however by making it cost 5 and untap 2: still a very explosive draw spell though.

Oh, krovikan horror is even more user unfriendly than that, since you will sometimes want to hold priority when using it. What could be better? I really like having the upkeep clause on gladiator, as it requires a player to gauge what their likely draws will be, and how they want to use their...

Besides the gy ordering issue though? A recurring shock is pretty great in response to removal, but four mana is so clunky. I already love death spark, and all of those cards are so much cooler now with delve. I'm not running crypt incursion, but its a pretty nice enabler for U/B control...

Opinions? Krovikan horror undead gladiator Also, another really neat black control card crypt incursion Pick off their creatures, than lifegain them out of the game.

Thanks, I've been trying to get a feel for how that potential turn three 4/2 works out. Originally, stenchskipper was in there because I was still somewhat trying to thematically tie decks together, so it was supposed to be a "hey, maybe you should draft R/B," but thats how a multi-color card...

This looks like a type of power max cube, and was not what I was expecting at all from the OP. A lot of these cards are very complicated, which seems at odds with your OP. I was presuming this was going to be a more basic peasentish cube, maybe with some vanilla cards to help people ease into...