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I'm usually the first to encourage people to go deep, but I just don't see either altar making the cut in anything close to a traditional cube. They're both relics from the days when creatures were weak and spells were strong. Using bad creatures to power up better spells made a lot more sense...

Spawnwrithe also has trample while this new guy is just vanilla in terms of combat. I think it's a cool card that seems worse than Monastery Mentor most of the time. It should clearly be named Surgewrithe though. ;)

Welcome! Agreed that this is a nice thread, so thanks for sharing your thoughts. Here are a couple quick thoughts of my own based on my initial reaction. Madness overlaps with but can be distinct from other self-mill and graveyard decks. The R/B vampires deck in SOI is a good example of an...

From a pure gameplay perspective, I think Sphinx's Tutelage is a more interesting mill-based win condition. Startled Awake is strictly better for flavor drafts.

Fact or Fiction: The faster your cube is, the more important mana fixing is.

Kirblinx, thanks for all the drafts and comments! I actually snuck in the red Retreat and Worm Harvest today, so you can finally live your dreams!

Yeah Stoke is probably fine, but I've got Outnumber in wide red deck removal slot.

I'm not a fan of instant speed spells that can be cast for free. That's mostly because I play with a lot of newer and more casual players, who already face a huge disadvantage against more enfranchised players. In general, I don't want anyone to feel like they have to have my cube list...

Those Chinese fakes look better and better.

Updated my list! To really emphasize that aggro decks start with 2-drops, I cut out almost all 1-drops that are nothing but mindless beaters. Loyal Pegasus is basically the only one left, but I feel like it's got some good play value in it. I've decided that I'm okay with different color pairs...

I just got done meddling with my list, so I figure I should participate here. I almost start by drafting aggro in a cube I'm not familiar with, so here's a Boros deck from Pete's cube! I didn't keep super good track of the draft itself, but I definitely passed a W/R painland like 4th-5ht pick...

Fell the Mighty Cool strategic card or too swingy?

Have you ever considered Gemini Engine? It seems like a potential intersection card for metalcraft, heroic (double your pump spells without going into full Precursor Golem level brokenness), and sac outlets. The main downside is that it seems really bad on defense, which might be a dealbreaker...

Empty Two Warrens {3}{R}{R} Sorcery Surge - {1}{R}{R} Put four 1/1 red Goblin creature tokens onto the battlefield. Empty a Warren {1}{R} Sorcery Surge - {2}{R} Put two 1/1 red Goblin creature tokens onto the battlefield. If the surge cost was paid, creatures you control gain haste until end...

This slipped under my radar since it's a Commander-only card: Spoils of Blood The ceiling is obviously lower than on Caller of the Claw/Fresh Meat, but leaving up a single mana is easier to do and harder to play around. It might also work in a more generic control deck where you cast it...

Could part of the issue be that UG already has the most quality flash creatures, making the land for that guild a bit redundant? Being able to flash stuff in as non-Simic G/X or U/X is probably more impressive.

re: Grave Peril I'm definitely intrigued, but I'm increasingly turned off by "non-black" as a limiting condition on removal spells. Like you said, it actually adds a bit more interesting play here due to allowing you to skirt the Standstill trigger, but I'm not sure that's enough to overcome...

Dumb Blue Enabler {U} Instant Investigate Flashback {U} "I heard you like durdly synergies, so I put durdly synergies in your durdly synergies." Xhibit, Planeswalker Alternatively... You Call That A Brainstorm?!? {1}{U} Instant Investigate Storm No idea what the right mana cost would be...

Oh for sure. I'm just having a bit of fun with you.

Oh how things change... http://riptidelab.com/forum/threads/creatures-with-neutral-card-economy.883/ :)