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So, here is the list of cards i've gathered from this thread to submit for review: ion storm thrummingbird coralhelm commander hada spy patrol transcendent master knight of cliffhaven beastbreaker of bala ged kazandu tuskcaller ajani's pridemate experiment one cytoplast root-kin renegade...

Yeah, I realize there is some limitations to the terminology, this is just the best that I have to work with to describe creative games, flashy gamers, and competitive gamers. Well, let me give you some examples and see if that helps clarify things. My list has more of a limited than...

I actually think I have some pretty good concepts now to make my Timmy player happy in the aggro department via tribal incentives. I have a few Johnny ideas, but of the one's we discussed already, would a package of aggro creatures with +1 +1 counters (nobles/champions/experiment one) but also...

You could probably combine all of those into one giant epic painting.

That card is a little hard for me to assess what its playability would be. I think its probably too much mana between the {2} and {1} to activate it thought. On the other hand, its a source of dig in a format where that is a big deal, so it might be reasonable. I might as well take this moment...

Ok, coast of arms seems like a great idea. I already have loose tribal themes, and that might be a good all around incentive card. I've had those themes backfire a little bit, since they just pile into it in the draft, and this might make it a little safer. Alfonzo had mentioned leveler's...

What I really want to know, is what would make a timmy player or a johnny player draft a bunch of small 1 mana beaters, and do so consistently. For example with tajic, Timmy sees a 7/7 indestructible, and goes rawr, but needs small beaters to get there. I think you, like me, might have a hard...

Yeah, the problem is that an environment--i.m.o-- is noticeably better when there is early pressure on the ground. Even the players avoiding aggro like the plague over here, are of the opinion that the night is more fun when aggro is around. And that’s the conundrum--they want it in the...

I think there may be a little bit of a misunderstanding here, so let me clarify my issue. Aggro drops currently take up a large percentage of cube space. However, most of our existing aggro sections are great. They are very competitive, capable of winning games, and can go 3-0 in a draft...

I'll admit it’s a bit difficult for me to get into his mindset because it’s so alien to me. I still have a hard time parsing between how much of this is him being bad at drafting and him just enjoying more flashy plays. I think its a mixture of the two. Your example of the craterhoof is...

Which is fine as long as those more widely used cards involve incorporating some of the small beaters. see the tajic example. In that context they arn't really being poached at all, because the small and large creatures mutually support one another. Another good example is Angelic overseer in a...

Yes, and the idea here is to find ways to avoid narrow roshambo aggro strategies.

I agree token themes can slow down formats, that’s why I only have them present in white, and I removed almost all of my eldrazi spawn makers. If token themes fed exclusively into anthem or charge effects, I would agree with you that they are shallow, but here--at least--there is demand for them...

I wouldn't describe a tokens approach as being shallow. They are great chump blockers, feed wide aggro, and are great with anthem or charge effects. Some of them are strong incidental support for tribal themes, all of them are amazing with mentor of the meek, they feed sacrifice themes. In...

Yeah its an interesting problem: running lifegain to enable aggro, which itself is normally oppressed by lifegain. It does work really well as a B/W midrange concept. I will admit it feels a bit loose. If its being run incidentally, as a sub theme, it probably needs to be tied in with an...

Probably a sort of "intro cube" not unlike some of the core set cubes i've seen people post. A low power ramp format I think would also be a lot of fun. I like the khalani hydra idea. Tribal interactions and artifact aggro also seem good. I also really like color and counter manipulation...

I see where you are at odds, but I think--as I originally suggested--that you just have a preference for formats that cater more towards the card advantage/answer end of the spectrum--which is fine. I am absolutely running a tempo focused format. I absolutely do not want people sitting back on...

It works out a little different over here due to the nature of the early threats. Most of my 1CC threats carry a tempo cost to get going which balances things: stromkirk noble, delver of secrets, reckless waif, champion of the parish. To get noble up to 3/3 represents a two turn investment, and...

I wanted to single out this exert because I think it pinpoints our disagreement and i.m.o provides a lot of context to the discussion. I am not taking a constructed line with my cube, nor am I running a high density of value creatures. Certain caliber threats require the existence of certain...

The more powerful your removal is, the harder it is to build a synergistic board presence due to answer density. If you are going to go with a weaker removal package you are, of course, going to have to make other changes to the cube to accommodate it, which may or may not be something that you...