FlowerSunRain
Contributor
Just in case the thallid theme in your cube is getting out of hand, they printed a hilarious hate card for it.
On the serious side, it murders planeswalkers and messes with the +1/+1 counter theme which is something.
Sets [C15] Commander 2015 Spoiler Thread
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Just in case the thallid theme in your cube is getting out of hand, they printed a hilarious hate card for it.
On the serious side, it murders planeswalkers and messes with the +1/+1 counter theme which is something.
I was running Dismiss as a budget cryptic, so my cut for mystic bombfluence is pretty easy.
Mystic confluence seems stupid pushed to me. The white and red confluences are good, but they kinda pale in comparison. I would say basically every mode on the blue confluence is good against almost every deck (in cube at least), whereas the red and white confluences have some rather corner case modes which while very strong in the right situation can be useless against some decks. I like Scourge of Nel Toth. Arachnogenesis seems cool too. A fog that advances my board state? sweet.
Actually I think the power level makes it less poisonous. If the reward is twice as great, you need fewer lifegain triggers in your deck to make it worthwhile. Karlov can more organically become threatening than Pridemate (who needed a ton of support).
I mean, Cryptic is still amazing in Modern. What classifies as a "pet" card in this day and age?
Any guesses what the black confluence will do?
Necromantic Confluence
Sorcery
* Raise Dead
* Each opponent discards a card
* Disfigure
I feel that has to be pretty close. Disfigure is a bit weak though. I can see that line being Diabolic Edict or Murder and not being overpowered. The only other line I could see this having would be 'Destroy target Planeswalker', but having two destroy effects on the card makes it seem too narrow.
While we are at it may as well guess the green one:
Tranquil Confluence
Sorcery
* Rampant Growth
* Awaken the Bear/Earthen Arms
* Plummet?
But if I were a real sadist it would be:
Hulking Confluence
Sorcery
* Put target noncreature permanent on top of its owners library
* Return target card from your graveyard to your hand
* Creatures you control get +1/+1 and trample until end of turn
Exile Hulking Confluence.
I feel that has to be pretty close. Disfigure is a bit weak though. I can see that line being Diabolic Edict or Murder and not being overpowered. The only other line I could see this having would be 'Destroy target Planeswalker', but having two destroy effects on the card makes it seem too narrow.
While we are at it may as well guess the green one:
Tranquil Confluence
Sorcery
* Rampant Growth
* Awaken the Bear/Earthen Arms
* Plummet?
But if I were a real sadist it would be:
Hulking Confluence
Sorcery
* Put target noncreature permanent on top of its owners library
* Return target card from your graveyard to your hand
* Creatures you control get +1/+1 and trample until end of turn
Exile Hulking Confluence.
The green one has already been spoiled:
Verdant Confluence GG4
Sorcery
Put 2 +1/+1 counters on target creature
Return target permanent card from your gy to your hand
Search for a basic, put into play tapped
FlowerSunRain
Contributor
But then wouldn't Voracious Wurm is less poisonous then Grizzly Bears?
Obviously making a card more powerful makes it more playable, but when someone says "poisonous" I think of the design. Voracious Wurm to me is more poisonous because the design demands a very specific set of circumstances to be effective. Grizzly Bears just suck.
Power level counts. A 3/1 Ajani's Pridemate is less poisonous than a 2/2 one. I think of it as the amount of support needed to make a card viable in a deck. Case in point, some of the later Infect cards were in fact less poisonous than the ones in SOM.
Grillo_Parlante
Contributor
The fact that its a 2 mana investment that grows into a 4/4 or 6/6 is a pretty big deal, and much better than a card that grows into a 3/3 or 4/4. Its a more competitive body, that dosen't require the amount of support that something like pridemate does.
Edit: jason beat me to it
Edit: jason beat me to it
FlowerSunRain
Contributor
That's fair, I just think the term is less useful when we roll power level into it. We already have plenty of language for describing cards in that way.
Any guesses what the black confluence will do?
Necromantic Confluence
Sorcery
* Raise Dead
* Each opponent discards a card
* Disfigure
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
Damn close
I actually thought of the draw 1 and lose 1 life, but I didn't think they would do that seeing that the blue Confluence also straight up draws a card. Anyway, this is a really, really excellent card!
FlowerSunRain
Contributor
It says Target Player in the first ability, so you also get a fourth mode if the opponent is low enough. Pretty flexible.
Killing someone with sign in blood always felt really cool to me
Welp, I guess I'm running every confluence except the green one.
Not a bad spoiler season for us Cubers
Oh my gosh these reprints are great, by the way!
I think in addition to the confluences, I'm gonna try Daxos's Torment, Scourge of Nel Toth, Magus of the Wheel (darn it red 3-drops!), Centaur Vinecrasher, Karlov of the Ghost Council, and Meren of Clan Nel Toth. Dang! That's a lot!
Not a bad spoiler season for us Cubers
Oh my gosh these reprints are great, by the way!
I think in addition to the confluences, I'm gonna try Daxos's Torment, Scourge of Nel Toth, Magus of the Wheel (darn it red 3-drops!), Centaur Vinecrasher, Karlov of the Ghost Council, and Meren of Clan Nel Toth. Dang! That's a lot!
That's my second favorite confluence. Do you guys think it's worth running over Profane Command?
Chris Taylor
Contributor
I'd cut something else. Especially in your more midrangey environment, this isn't the kind of effect I'd limit my cube to one of
This is just... one of those cards.
Ahadabans, I'd suggest Dread Return or Consuming Vapors as your cut for the confluence. (I hope I'm looking at the right CT list.) More modal spells is more better!