Onderzeeboot
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Eiganjo Castle and Halimar Depths.
Article ChannelFireball: Utility Land Draft
- Thread starter Jason Waddell
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But Halimar Depths... top of library...
So I can see it all in one place...
Eiganjo and Lonely Sandbar removed (temporarily)
Onderzeeboot
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But Halimar Depths... top of library...
Yeah, I know that's kind of a pet card, but that's clearly the worst blue land in my mind. It etb tapped, for a very marginal effect. Nobody plays Sage Owl after all.
Hmm.. it actually got played 100% of the time in my paper cube. Especially with 2.5 Fetches, it was used a lot like Ponder. Rearrage, draw the one you want, fetch away the rest. Hmmm, this is difficult.
Onderzeeboot
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True that. Well, maybe you could cut Lonely Sandbar, since blue already has enough card advantage it needs the cycler the least of all colors?
Chris Taylor
Contributor
I feel like there's overlap between sandbar and halimar depths, and similar overlap between castle and karakas
I feel like i'd cut karakas? it does randomly make opponents stuff uncastable and is really really good at protecting things. OP or not it kinda feels bad
Plus if you sell it you'll make like 500$
I feel like i'd cut karakas? it does randomly make opponents stuff uncastable and is really really good at protecting things. OP or not it kinda feels bad
Plus if you sell it you'll make like 500$
You like Eiganjo over Karakas? I think the main use of Karakas is Clique / Venser recursion.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
I like the venser/clique interaction, but I don't like clique dodging any removal spell (as opposed to just small enough burn) and your opponent not being able to stick legends
I like the venser/clique interaction, but I don't like clique dodging any removal spell (as opposed to just small enough burn) and your opponent not being able to stick legends
So what would your 6 white lands be?
Chris Taylor
Contributor
Heights, Castle, Flagstones, Blighted, Standstone bridge and Cycling I think
Yeah, I love Eiganjo Castle and DESPISE Karakas
Okay, my proposed ULD list is at the top of the page. It is starting to feel a bit tight and up to date. Any further tweaks?
Onderzeeboot
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I think I like Bojuka Bog over Cabal Pit.
I also kinda dislike the split on Mishra's Factory, Mutavault and Blinkmoth Nexus. Factory especially gets so much better in multiples. I think I would just run 3 Factories instead of the mix.
One Tectonic Edge feels like not enough, I run two plus two Ghost Quarters to give a bit more options.
Murmuring Bosk seems a bit random. I know it can be fetched, but it randomly fixes only one wedge.
I also kinda dislike the split on Mishra's Factory, Mutavault and Blinkmoth Nexus. Factory especially gets so much better in multiples. I think I would just run 3 Factories instead of the mix.
One Tectonic Edge feels like not enough, I run two plus two Ghost Quarters to give a bit more options.
Murmuring Bosk seems a bit random. I know it can be fetched, but it randomly fixes only one wedge.
Buuuut Mutavault is a Zombie! People actually almost never took the Tectonic Edge over here (multi-Wasteland in the main), so we'll see what the demand is when we play online. Mutavault and Factory were both high enough picks that they were never played by the same person.
Bosk is super random, but I love fetching it up.
Bosk is super random, but I love fetching it up.
Onderzeeboot
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Oh yeah, I momentarily forgot about the plethora of Wastelands in the main. Fair enough
Chris Taylor
Contributor
I'd say fuck factory. Put like 3 mutavaults in there and call it a day. Way more cool stuff happens because mutavault happens to be every little dude under the sun then there is value with factory blocking as a 3/3
boooooo
Really? Most people aren't considering it playable from what I've seen. Why do you say that?
Factory is another artifact for the artifact decks, so I think it has a spot. Maybe not four though,
Aoret
Developer
Shelldock Isle and Phyrexian Tower are (still) too good for ULD. This is coming from the guy who lets people run four wastelands without spending picks on them.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
jeez, and I was worried d about stronghold
I haven't tested it yet, but I expect Mortuary Mire to be awesome. One time free Volrath's can't possibly be bad (even on an ETB tapped land). I'd run that one in your list Jason (I apologize if you already considered it and I missed the discussion).
I have considered it, just not written about it. My concern is that it overlaps so much with Volrath's in function, while still being worse in most cases. You don't want it in your opening hand at all. I don't think it's a bad suggestion, but something "feels" off about it.
I've actually been super underwhelmed with Mortuary Mire in BfZ at least. You want to play it early, because it comes into play late, but you want to play it late, so you get value. And even the value you do get is relatively minimal - you need to have a creature in your graveyard that's on average better than creatures in your deck. I think it plays a lot worse than it looks.