Card/Deck Cogwork Librarian

[James Stevenson]

I wondering if this is such an interesting and fun thing to have in the draft that it would be better with multiples. I mean, what if they're were a whole bunch and it was a common part of drafting to be using them? For the moment I think that novelty is so valuable that one is the right number. Hmm, stacking up on librarians let's you take more than 1 extra card too...

 

[Alex Blanton]

I wouldn't run too many. Maybe two if you want. I wouldn't want to see three of them wheeling pack 3 because no one wants to risk being stuck with them.

 

[Chris Taylor]

Also that just ends up being complicated. "Do I take it now and pass this mana leak, or will the other one 3 seats to my left make it to me? I think that pack had less in my colors..."

That's just a little too deep for me. My playgroup is slow enough at drafting as it is, let alone trying to next next next level people with 2-3 of this guy floating around

 

[Chris Taylor]

Also on further investigation, searching for robot librarian artwork is something I no longer feel comfortable doing in public.

 

[James Stevenson]

GUYS. it just hit me today. Librarian DOES have value in game. If you cast Booster Tutor with Librarian in hand, you get to make two picks! Then if you want you could have the extra card stay in the person's pool and librarian goes back into the cube. So cool!

 

[VibeBox]

robot librarian artwork

 

[VibeBox]

it's a shitty card though, and it's exactly the kind of "whacky" effect i'm terribly unsurprised to see wotc thinks cubers "are clamoring for". it's probably a good indicator of the kinds of cards we're going to get from this set, poorly thought out, not very conductive to balanced gameplay, horribly unimaginative.

it's almost as if wotc isn't (and hasn't been for some time) very good at designing cards anymore, just spews out EDH garbage and planeswalker playgrounds of the week so smothered in "themes" they're actually steaming keyword shitpiles

 

[VibeBox]

i'm more bitter than usual tonight.

i guess that's what happens when i work 14 hours and don't smoke : -/

 

[anotak]

the edh players dont like their recent designed-for-edh cards because they tend to be turbo generic good stuff bombs like the primordials

 

[Changling Bob]

tnn

 

[anotak]

that card isn't good in edh at all i dont understand that design at all what were they thinking

no matter how hard it is to deal w/ 3 power will never be threatening in EDH unless it is on a general

 

[Chris Taylor]

As much as the reputation is miligned, most EDH players don't really like things that make the game (as homogenous as it is sometimes) MORE homogenous

please stop making cards you'd be an idiot not to add. Also never do true name nemesis again. Legacy decks are half stupidly fast combo decks, and even THEY don't like it.

 

[CML]

As much as the reputation is miligned, most EDH players don't really like things that make the game (as homogenous as it is sometimes) MORE homogenous

please stop making cards you'd be an idiot not to add. Also never do true name nemesis again. Legacy decks are half stupidly fast combo decks, and even THEY don't like it.

fwiw interest in legacy here has nosedived on account of TNN. i just don't have much desire to go out on a monday and play non-interactive magic, if i did i'd foil out a uril, the miststalker deck

 

[anotak]

same here

there was like a sudden legacy boom here that just disappeared w/ tnn

 

[CML]

people are abstractly afraid of bannings but like come on. we'd all rejoice if TNN were banned. those opposed to the banning are the same assholes in favor of the reserve list so they can sit on piles of cardboard

 

[anotak]

i hate the reserve list but i dont think its justifiably bannable.

the problem with banning cards we just dont like is that it sets the precedent that that is ok
and it's really not

 

[Eric Chan]

I'm secretly hoping one day Wizards retcons protection so that it doesn't have the 'creature takes no damage' clause. I think it's fine that protected creatures have shroud and are unblockable against a particular subset of cards, but why do they have to be invulnerable blockers too?! It's ridiculously frustrating that one protection guy often stonewalls two or three creatures and makes the whole attack phase unprofitable.

 

[anotak]

dont get me wrong if they banned it wouldnt be complaining but i just can't say it is a good idea even if the majority of players including me think the card turns magic into utter horseshit

 

[Jason Waddell]

i hate the reserve list but i dont think its justifiably bannable.

the problem with banning cards we just dont like is that it sets the precedent that that is ok
and it's really not

I actually think this is okay. Like, super okay. Make the game better.

 

[CML]

i hate the reserve list but i dont think its justifiably bannable.

the problem with banning cards we just dont like is that it sets the precedent that that is ok
and it's really not

lol absurd come on

 

[Changling Bob]

There's so many failings all the way down the line on TNN; the guy who wrote the card clearly seeded it just for his blue EDH deck, someone sat and templated the thing, the entire design team didn't shoot it down, and the rules manager updated the rules on protection to make it a) work and b) be stupid. Literally everyone in R&D should have noticed that it would be the worst imaginable thing in 2 player magic, especially given how much they like to go 'hexproof and evasion is a silly combo' these days, straight into 'oops, we printed hexproof, complete evasion and immunity to most non-targeted removal that's viable on a 3 power creature in blue'. My ass they're that stupid.

 

[Changling Bob]

So a common then :boggle:

 

[Goldenpineapple]

Doesn't change anything to me. I read that the set is designed to be drafted and that it's the same msrp as regular magic product, but honestly I rarely want to doubledraft out of real boosters compared to a cube pack where it happens quite often. Neat wax seal watermark though. Waxmark?

 

[Chris Taylor]

Well, I guess I can easily get a copy for my cube now?
Jeez, common. Whats that gonna look like

 

[Jonas]

I bet there will be a whole lot of wacky and zany mechanics.