I've seen Geddon work best when there's cheap (read: 1cmc) removal. If you have to build back up to Murder mana to remove their biggest threat, you probably won't have a game left.
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Onderzeeboot
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This is true, and it makes me sad, because I run Murders instead of Swords to Plowshares, so my nice black-bordered portal copy of Armageddon is gathering dust :'(
IMO the most fair way is making it delayed somehow- geddon is too punishing to decks that start slowly. "Until your next turn, at the beginning of each player's end step, they sacrifice each land they control" ? Or something. Prevents "geddon, land, pass" resets as well.
A friend has a custom geddon that let a player counter it in some manner that made sense, but I can't remember off the top of my head.
A friend has a custom geddon that let a player counter it in some manner that made sense, but I can't remember off the top of my head.
Maybe make it into an enchantment with fade? When it leaves the battlefield pop all lands? When it is on the battlefield players can't play lands?
Cheap removal, mana bodies. I think Lucre's suggestion of Flagstones makes sense as well. In fact, I might try Flagstones 2-squadron.
Cheap counters like Spell Pierce probably help a lot, too. Also Life From the Loam, Crucible of Worlds.
Cheap counters like Spell Pierce probably help a lot, too. Also Life From the Loam, Crucible of Worlds.
Chris Taylor
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Onderzeeboot
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For real? That's... retarded...
Nah, it's sweet anti-pact tech. They counter your tap-out so you make them unable to pay.
And that's kind of its only reasonable use, isn't it?
And that's kind of its only reasonable use, isn't it?
Chris Taylor
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That, or a metric ass load of mana rocks
It did not last long
I wish it made it to print. One more crap design to watch TWoo find a way to exploit.
Speaking of Woo, why is Chapin the Innovator? Woo has done more over the top innovating than the druglord ever did.
Speaking of Woo, why is Chapin the Innovator? Woo has done more over the top innovating than the druglord ever did.
Dom Harvey
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anyone can come up with a ~crazy brew~, but Chapin did at the highest levels of the game (for a while, seems like he mostly colours within the lines now) and worked on crafting that brand
someone whip up a Druglord Ojutai proxy
someone whip up a Druglord Ojutai proxy
Woo has had some impactful brews take off. Let us not forget OmniThragDoorFire, or that monoblue Delver list in Modern, or ANY of his wonky ideas that find a way in constructed formats.
Grillo_Parlante
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That mono blue list was a pauper list that he ported to modern and pretended was his original creation.
He is a bit overrated as an impactful brewer.
I didn't play far enough back to be enamored with any of the established pros; most don't seem much better than my local pro tour grinders.
Didn't twoo's mono blue list make disrupting shoal exponentially pricier? A lot of his stuff is goofy one-trick ponies, but I can respect being able to take a seemingly-worthless card and take games off tournament-placing decks with much larger changes than "holy shit this guy has a one-of weird card in his sideboard!" One of my biggest gripes with the mothership's preview articles is their attempts at making new cards look good: a type 1 list with tons of chaff instead of a budget deck someone can take to FNM or something.
Didn't twoo's mono blue list make disrupting shoal exponentially pricier? A lot of his stuff is goofy one-trick ponies, but I can respect being able to take a seemingly-worthless card and take games off tournament-placing decks with much larger changes than "holy shit this guy has a one-of weird card in his sideboard!" One of my biggest gripes with the mothership's preview articles is their attempts at making new cards look good: a type 1 list with tons of chaff instead of a budget deck someone can take to FNM or something.
I stand corrected, that deck IS almost entirely pauper.
Dom Harvey
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The OmniDoor deck was cute, but never put up results in competitive events. The Mono Blue Delver list was already an established deck in Pauper and budget deck in Modern, and very few of his ideas have had any permanence in Constructed.
Onderzeeboot
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His decks are entertaining as fuck to watch though
Geddon is one of those cards that really should be oppressive in my cube, but for whatever reason never has been. Maybe it's the fact that we play a lot of multilayer. There are always blue mages and spells like that usually get countered. Or if they don't the Geddon player has three people pissed off at him and so he ends up dying unless he has a really big lead.
Probably also has a lot to do with my groups overall dislike of hard aggro decks. No one wants to blow up their own lands because that stops them from casting their bombs. Bribery was way worse for us. I had a civil war over the inclusion of that card (long since removed and likely never to return).
Probably also has a lot to do with my groups overall dislike of hard aggro decks. No one wants to blow up their own lands because that stops them from casting their bombs. Bribery was way worse for us. I had a civil war over the inclusion of that card (long since removed and likely never to return).
Grillo_Parlante
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His decks are entertaining as fuck to watch though
Speaking of entertaining things to watch, there is this gem LSV just posted. Second game at 3:51 is absurd.
Tangentially connected with Travis because it involves living end....
Wow, what a great game. So much for that hate tech.
Onderzeeboot
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Taking the thread title literally:
Which one is better?
Can't speak from experience, but it looks like tactics has much more upside. Strive is huge, plus it's an instant. Blow them out.
Grillo_Parlante
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Epic Confrontation, since you can kill the creature and than swing in with a damage buff. The defensive buff is nice if they still have leftover blockers.
Onderzeeboot
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Why not both?
(I know I run both in my 450)
(I know I run both in my 450)
Yeah that's a really good point. Seems like Epic Confrontation is much more aggressive, while Tactics is awesome in midrange. So run what you want to support!