General Fight Club

[Onderzeeboot]

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[sigh]

Declaration. I like how much play it has.

 

[Alfonzo Bonzo]

Dictate of Karametra > Heartbeat and Mana Reflection seem to be pretty close to each other.

Dictate costs 5 but when you want such effects to happen you probably have more mana than that to begin with. Flash enables less risky situations compared to heartbeat where you usually have to pass the turn first before the big turn.

I haven't tried Mana Reflection, but i think the flash is better than paying six for a one sided effect and letting the opponent get a chance to deal with the enchantment before your big turn.

I suppose there's a question as to why you want these effects anyway (and presumably you already have mirari's wake? My gut feel would be towards the dictate, but I remember on twitter Kranny wrote how underrated Mana Reflection was. If you're going to go to six, would you not just play Zendikar's resurgence? (which you are already, right?)

vs.

In a vaccum Declaration - fairer and takes down tokens. But would depend on if you have an enchantment and/or prowess theme going on.

 

[Chris Taylor]

I'm on team stone. Young Pyromancer/Delver concerns aside, clues are awesome and enchantments suck. (Just doubled up!)

 

[ColonelSanders]

I like Journey because it lets green decks fight back against removal. But I run a fair amount of incidental artifact/enchantment destruction. If you don't have much, Declaration is probably preferable.

 

[Peter LaCara]

Declaration is my pick as well. Way more play to it, and it feels fairer to colors without access to enchantment removal.

 

[Eric Chan]

Okay, I think I'm convinced - I still run Banishing Light, Prison Term, and Faith's Fetters as enchantment-based creature removal, so it makes sense to swap one card out from that suite.

 

[Peter LaCara]

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Assuming the sacrifice deck is supported, which one? Or do you run both?

 

[Alfonzo Bonzo]

Boooooooooooooooth

 

[Chris Taylor]

Yeah both. x2 Blood Artist is a bit too strong, so this is a nice middle ground

 

[vennythekid]

Yeah both. x2 Blood Artist is a bit too strong, so this is a nice middle ground

That's exactly what I've found

 

[Onderzeeboot]

That's exactly what I've found

I tried two Artists as well for a while, and can confirm that getting both is stupid. One is great, however! If you want two of those effects, run an Artis and a Cutthroat.

 

[James Stevenson]

It's also human, that's nice

 

[Fulcrum]

What do you guys think about these guys? I'm trying to support big zoo and green aggro. Timbermare seemed really interesting to me until I realized it's basically a green lava axe. Does anyone have any experience with it?

 

[Onderzeeboot]

Cute, good, cool, horrible, in that order.

 

[shamizy]

Timbermare is kind of janky, Solifuge is pretty trash nowadays, Surrak and Vengevine are decent. I cut Surrak a while back after running him for a bit because he just didn't bring anything interesting to the table. Vengevine though? He's staying forever. Applies pressure as a hasty threat and I like giving drafters the chance to pull off cool sequences like discarding him early and sandbagging creature spells for a big turn.

 

[ahadabans]

I was big on Surrak when it came out, but there are times it's just a 5/4 dude, which is fine but pretty marginal for a green 4. Vengevine is one of my favorite green cards ever. I can't foresee ever cutting that.

 

[Peter LaCara]

I was big on Surrak when it came out, but there are times it's just a 5/4 dude, which is fine but pretty marginal for a green 4. Vengevine is one of my favorite green cards ever. I'm can't foresee ever cutting that.

I agree with this. Surrak gets there on power level, but he's kind of boring. Vengevine, on the other hand, also gets there on power level, and is cool as hell.

 

[safra]

Here's one I'm mulling over. Assuming you run wastelands, typed duals, and double fetches:

 

[Turnabout]

Farseek. Restore is better in the cases when you have the parts, but what if all your fetches and sacrifice utility lands are in the bottom half of your deck?

 

[James Stevenson]

I think I'd prefer Life from the Loam most of the time.

 

[Jason Waddell]

 

[Jason Waddell]

 

[Peter LaCara]

I've run geist before and it's been underwhelming. The drawback hurts more than you think. Drake seems too hard to turn on for the payoff. Efreet is a little outside the color pie these days, but it's tried and true.

 

[Chris Taylor]

Deffinitly efreet. Stitched drake is WAY harder than it needs to be, on top of being double blue, and fettergeist too explicitly a control only card for my tastes, where even the most dedicated control decks in my cube usually have a looter, solemn simulacrum or flametounge kavu lying around. I'm not happy with efreet, and I'd run more of a 3 mana 3/4 flier if I had one I was happy with, but a lone efreet has at least been decent.