I don't know about you fuckers, but I love me some Loam + Mox Diamond decks.
Card/Deck Life from the Loam
- Thread starter James Stevenson
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Can I get some opinions on Flame Jab and Raven's Crime?
Edit: also Dryad Arbor? Anyone running this?
Edit: also Dryad Arbor? Anyone running this?
CML
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the general difficulty with loam (i'll say again) is that the big support cards are by and large poor on their own, but uh
Arbor -- utility land draft as is very bad without GSZ, Dryad Arbor IMO is a bad design (someone correct me if i'm historically wrong) as a 1/1 creature land's drawbacks otherwise grossly outweigh its benefits unless there's GSZ, in which case you always want it and also tilt the table if you draw it at any point.
i think if i have a GSZ deck (cube is better with 2 GSZs!) i always want it. it's a nice thing to have in the utility land draft, though.
Crime -- the 'smoothest' inclusion
Jab -- could be interesting with young pyromancer, but ask yourself what kind of Red deck wants to pay R + throw a land to do 1 damage to something. however there are many Black decks that want to B + throw a land to RAPE THEIR HAND INTO OBLIVION!!!
i think that to include loam you need a strong graveyard team, but i also think you also need a strong graveyard theme
Arbor -- utility land draft as is very bad without GSZ, Dryad Arbor IMO is a bad design (someone correct me if i'm historically wrong) as a 1/1 creature land's drawbacks otherwise grossly outweigh its benefits unless there's GSZ, in which case you always want it and also tilt the table if you draw it at any point.
i think if i have a GSZ deck (cube is better with 2 GSZs!) i always want it. it's a nice thing to have in the utility land draft, though.
Crime -- the 'smoothest' inclusion
Jab -- could be interesting with young pyromancer, but ask yourself what kind of Red deck wants to pay R + throw a land to do 1 damage to something. however there are many Black decks that want to B + throw a land to RAPE THEIR HAND INTO OBLIVION!!!
i think that to include loam you need a strong graveyard team, but i also think you also need a strong graveyard theme
CML
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as for ranger of eos you get a nice 3/2 with the deal. you'd think this wouldn't matter, but they made some hokey ardent plea stuff and then they made a 2/2 + a spell for 1UG and it was more of a big deal. (i for one was hugely surprised by this)
Cycling lands from the Utility Land Draft are pretty great with Loam too. I think the key is having a critical mass of cards that you want in your deck anyways. I've also had good success using Loam in midrange decks to make sure I just never run out of land drops.
Chris Taylor
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Also manlands.
Maybe it's time for a proper cycle of manlands all on power with treetop village. Poor Forbidding Watchtower
Maybe it's time for a proper cycle of manlands all on power with treetop village. Poor Forbidding Watchtower
FlowerSunRain
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While not a "manland", Kjelordan Outpost serves a similar role and benefits slightly from loam.
CML
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Chris: mono-colored? WWK cycle is always a blast, friend was designing enemy color manlands too.
something like
1R -- 3/1 first strike
1W -- 2/2 lifelink
1B -- 2/1 unblockable
1U -- 2/2 flying? fae conclave is pretty good already
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i agree with jason about cycle lands and "cards you want in your deck anyway" but then the issue becomes "why would these decks want loam." a non-trivial problem, really
something like
1R -- 3/1 first strike
1W -- 2/2 lifelink
1B -- 2/1 unblockable
1U -- 2/2 flying? fae conclave is pretty good already
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i agree with jason about cycle lands and "cards you want in your deck anyway" but then the issue becomes "why would these decks want loam." a non-trivial problem, really
I think 3/1 First Strike for 1R would be too OP.
Well, looks like I'll be keeping Loam for a while, after all your lovely input. I'll be adding Treetop Village and Compulsive Research and maybe Hellion Crucible, Raven's Crime. Probably not Flame Jab. If it turns out to be a do nothing I can cut it (edit: meaning Life from the Loam, not Jame Flab).
http://cubetutor.com/viewcube/5125
so uhhh
i've been brewing????????? is it brewing if you just make a cube list?
16 card packs for 8 people, i'm aiming at 384 here.
im considering printing this out
if loam isnt good in this environment then nothing good can ever happen again
what has science done? is this an awful mistake? how could i possibly make a cube that doesn't include shard phoenix?
so uhhh
i've been brewing????????? is it brewing if you just make a cube list?
16 card packs for 8 people, i'm aiming at 384 here.
im considering printing this out
if loam isnt good in this environment then nothing good can ever happen again
what has science done? is this an awful mistake? how could i possibly make a cube that doesn't include shard phoenix?
Chris Taylor
Contributor
I too like faerie conclave.
Red: could probably be a stormblood berserker type guy. I'm thinkin
to activate, since green should probably get the big creature.White: I like lifelink better in black actually. Maybe youthful knight, then black gets child of night?
Chris Taylor
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I actually just meant the evasion, but interesting idea
Is it a little too cute?
Is it a little too cute?
what we should have is a land that turns into a planeswalker that comes into play with more loyalty counters if you dealt damage to an opponent this turn. Then ultimate would allow you to sideboard with your library during that game. And maybe it could shuffle in so you could side it out.
I have no idea why I'm writing this.
I have no idea why I'm writing this.
I like the bloodthirst land. Makes you sad instead of happy to slam an always-tapped land on turn 1 for once. Two-headed is also fine.
I guess if you wanna go turbodeep on loam you can try lotus vale and scorched ruin?
I guess if you wanna go turbodeep on loam you can try lotus vale and scorched ruin?
This looks sweet, man, just chiming in with my approval.
I actually just meant the evasion, but interesting idea
Is it a little too cute?
I don't think it's too cute. The trick is, how to best tailor it so that there is a good balance / reward between the Bloodthirsted "mode" and the vanilla mode.
Chris Taylor
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So bloodthirst 1 then
Given that I already run this batch of stuff, mainly for the reanimator decks...
Is it worth the slots to toss in a mini-Worm Harvest package, which could allow the graveyard decks to ditch the blue filtering and uncastable fatty plan entirely, and subsist solely on green and black?
It could well be that all this stuff is crap, even in a lower-powered environment like mine. I don't know.
I know the dredge theme failed in Modern Masters, but I didn't play enough of the format to understand why exactly, though I figure the poison-principley nature of the cards had something to do with it.
reanimator decks...Is it worth the slots to toss in a mini-Worm Harvest package, which could allow the graveyard decks to ditch the blue filtering and uncastable fatty plan entirely, and subsist solely on green and black?
It could well be that all this stuff is crap, even in a lower-powered environment like mine. I don't know.
I know the dredge theme failed in Modern Masters, but I didn't play enough of the format to understand why exactly, though I figure the poison-principley nature of the cards had something to do with it.
Chris Taylor
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You know, for Worm Harvest specifically you probably do want mulch over Wayfinder, since the extra lands in hand counts for so much.
Honestly if its the cornerstone of a deck, I'd go up to 4 worm harvests, or find something similar (possibly none exist, I'll admit) just so that the drafter can easily get their hands on it.
Honestly if its the cornerstone of a deck, I'd go up to 4 worm harvests, or find something similar (possibly none exist, I'll admit) just so that the drafter can easily get their hands on it.