Card/Deck Life from the Loam
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Dom Harvey
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It failed because there wasn't a dredge theme. The poisonous nature of the enablers was never an issue because there weren't any 
Chris Taylor
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Mm was basically all poison
I mean, dredge doesn't need to be poisonous, but if your dredge theme is life from the loam into worm harvest, glhf.
Hmm... does that deck even want 4? I also feel a little uneasy about breaking singleton for a weird, narrow 5-drop. I could see it though. Lots of weird synergies.
Chris Taylor
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Maybe 3? or like 2 and...I dunno, Spider Spawning? They don't count the same cards, but I dunno what else is a good win condition for this deck
Four shouldn't be necessary, as the idea is that you'll dig through the majority of your deck, and you only need to find a single copy to start going off. We had a good discussion about this in the Skype chat, and I think I might go with one Worm Harvest along with a Spider Spawning.
I wonder if all this effort to make a bunch of tokens is worth it, though, when there are cards that just pump them out turn after turn without requiring any synergy. Hmmmmm.
I wonder if all this effort to make a bunch of tokens is worth it, though, when there are cards that just pump them out turn after turn without requiring any synergy. Hmmmmm.
Uh, I hate token creators that create tokens that don't sacrifice for mana.
I dunno. Some of them are pretty sweet!
But I can see the arguments against them, too. They gum up the ground, clogging board states and prolonging games. Planeswalkers that do this are even worse, because they're hard to answer to begin with, and even moreso when they plop down a bunch of blockers turn after turn. I'm on an anti-planeswalker kick at the moment, and am slowly trimming down on them from an all-time high of eighteen. Maybe control would get worse, but the cube as a whole would improve from booting big Elspeth.
But I can see the arguments against them, too. They gum up the ground, clogging board states and prolonging games. Planeswalkers that do this are even worse, because they're hard to answer to begin with, and even moreso when they plop down a bunch of blockers turn after turn. I'm on an anti-planeswalker kick at the moment, and am slowly trimming down on them from an all-time high of eighteen. Maybe control would get worse, but the cube as a whole would improve from booting big Elspeth.
In my yearly quest to make Loam work
Rather than some kind of poison principle-y Worm Harvest engine - which btw was a total failure - maybe there's a minor value engine that Loam can power that wouldn't necessarily dominate the board, but would instead grind out a small advantage every turn.
Ehhhhhhhhhhh?
(this seems like a bad idea but i've already typed out all this so)
Rather than some kind of poison principle-y Worm Harvest engine - which btw was a total failure - maybe there's a minor value engine that Loam can power that wouldn't necessarily dominate the board, but would instead grind out a small advantage every turn.
Ehhhhhhhhhhh?
(this seems like a bad idea but i've already typed out all this so)
I feel like this takes a lot of work but you want themes that support loam and you might want to take liberties playing doubles of things and maybe even transmute spells / dredge themes?
Like compulsive research is head and shoulders above a lot of competition if you want loam to work. Like consider threshold and madness and delve cards a little more closely if you want to make the cards that enable loam sought after and abundant and not just cram a weird bunch of options for one playa in there.
Looting feels like it's an auto include, but that is also a really slow engine.
Like compulsive research is head and shoulders above a lot of competition if you want loam to work. Like consider threshold and madness and delve cards a little more closely if you want to make the cards that enable loam sought after and abundant and not just cram a weird bunch of options for one playa in there.
Looting feels like it's an auto include, but that is also a really slow engine.
I really wanted Loam to work for me, but it was too durdly and never really came together. It's probably because I don't have a necessary density of fetches or landfall support, but I probably don't have enough support to really support it with enablers either. It's a cool concept though, but it's tough to make it perform unless you have crappy cards that almost no one else would want. I'd need more themes that could be supported via looting before I'd look at trying it out again.
Yeah I remember Wadell talking about landfall and life from the loam in tandem with fetches. You use it as an engine to keep getting triggers, so maybe there's a possibility to run a landfall aggro deck as well as the dredge land deck? Also, flame jab is cute. Does things in a land deck maybe as well as triggering prowess endlessly with Loam.
I've had one squadron'd in my cube for a long time and it's always popular. Since I include cards in the draft that allow people to pick from the Utility Land binder, I actually had one guy win with a lands deck. Multiple Mishra's Factories, fetches, Tectonic Edges, Dust Bowl, etc. It looked really fun.
I think Loam and Land Tax are great also because it adds another way for reanimator to get his hand to over 7 cards so they can discard.
Loam and Tax also work with stuff like this:
Scroll Rack, Attunement, Greater Good, Compulsion, Compulsive research, Braids, Cabal Minion, World Queller, Smokestack, Fastbond, Recycle, Cadaverous Bloom, Squandered Resources.
I think most of these hasn't been mentioned too often.
Loam and Tax also work with stuff like this:
Scroll Rack, Attunement, Greater Good, Compulsion, Compulsive research, Braids, Cabal Minion, World Queller, Smokestack, Fastbond, Recycle, Cadaverous Bloom, Squandered Resources.
I think most of these hasn't been mentioned too often.