General Print this Wizards! (So I can put it in my cube)

[Onderzeeboot]

We're good to go!

It's possible this should be an Elemental Zombie, like Skullbriar, the Walking Grave, but there's some zombie support in my cube, and this is probably powerful enough as is.

 

[Rasmus Källqvist]

That's a pretty nutty card.

 

[Aoret]

Seems a bit much honestly, and it doesn't really feel very B to me. It feels like a UR card.

What if it got Menace if you used R to cast it, something else if you used B to cast it, always bounced something, and lost the Prowess keyword entirely? A little bit of a pain in the ass to track I guess, but I've always really liked the Firespout mechanic. I guess is is a lot better suited to an instant or sorcery though :/

Still, I can't shake the idea that casting it for UBR and getting both upsides is kinda cool, and that there's some design elegance to getting a UR ability set if cast for UR and such. The question is whether my idea has enough design elegance to get around being mechanically clunky as fuck.

 

[anotak]

according to the maro article, menace is primary in black

also i like the name as a name, but it feels like something that would be on a noncreature spell

 

[Aoret]

Ah, I didn't actually read the maro thing. So I guess we're saying it has prowess from red, menace from black, and unsummon from blue? It still feels too blueish and too strong that way. I guess my revision to the above would be to still strip prowess off and give it Haste if you cast it using R.. I dunno

 

[Onderzeeboot]

Ah, I didn't actually read the maro thing. So I guess we're saying it has prowess from red, menace from black, and unsummon from blue? It still feels too blueish and too strong that way. I guess my revision to the above would be to still strip prowess off and give it Haste if you cast it using R.. I dunno

Colors overlap a bit here. Bounce is clearly blue, menace is black and red, prowess is blue and red. I don't want a Firespout mechanic, because this is not meant as a gold card, it's meant as a hybrid card. It should be flexible and not punish or reward you for going either way. Neither should it be more powerful if you play all three colors. I could replace prowess with haste, which is also allowed in black, but I like the prowess, and I don't want to give every custom card haste. The other tweak is making the bounce mandatory, but that would just randomly make this card more punishing against aggro decks and a liability against Wall of Omens-sporting control decks. Much like the original Man-o'-War I guess.

Honestly, we've upgraded a common effect (bounce on a stick) to rare and added two keyword abilities. It does look much, but I think this is a printable card, though surely a standard staple if it did get printed this way. Is that a bad thing though? Looking for that powerful but exciting design was kind of the idea anyway after all. You're still paying three mana in two colors for a Grey Ogre body on a rare card. That better be worth it!

Edit: Another way of looking at it is this. Would you be excited to open this in a cube booster if costed ?

 

[Chris Taylor]

Edit: Another way of looking at it is this. Would you be excited to open this in a cube booster if costed ?

Not in the slightest

 

[Lucre]

Edit: Another way of looking at it is this. Would you be excited to open this in a cube booster if costed ?

Dig this question, I'll think about it!

I assume it'll be a value removal spell or a cool catchall along the lines of venser.

 

[Onderzeeboot]

Dig this question, I'll think about it!

I assume it'll be a value removal spell or a cool catchall along the lines of venser.

Keep in mind Venser is monocolored, has flash, and can target spells as well. If both were in the same booster pack, which one would you pick if Menacing Presence was ? Which one would you pick if Menacing Presence was ?

 

[Lucre]

Menacing presence isn't a card I'd make.

 

[Onderzeeboot]

Menacing presence isn't a card I'd make.

Fair enough, it's a card anotak would make Anyway, that's not answering the question

Personally I would pick Venser is both were four mana, and I don't know which one I would pick if Menacing Presence was three mana. I think is the right mana cost.

 

[Lucre]

I hope I don't just make you a straight venser port, but I have made venser like cards for ru before.

 

[Onderzeeboot]

Venser is totally awesome though, I understand

Say, how does Izzet Chronarch with prowess for sound?

 

[safra]

Venser is totally awesome though, I understand

Say, how does Izzet Chronarch with prowess for sound?

really really sweet. What about nonsquare stats for prowess combat tricks? 1/2 sounds fine imo if it has prowess too

 

[Lucre]

Could this even be eternal witness at 4 in the 3 colour slot you've been pondering?

2/2 sounds necessary to me but I don't play in your environment. Remember 1/2 chronarch was partly because back then you had a really good repeatable "bad trick" where you would put damage on the stack and use either repeal or peel from reality and continue the fun. Giving that card a relevant body at all was probably a design decision.

 

[Onderzeeboot]

People weren't overly enthousiastic about my Naya hybrid a while back, and when I looked at my three-color section I realized I cut out the constellation support I was running. I love constellation, because it avoids the intersection of "enchanment matters" and "blue, black and red are screwed because they lack proper removal". Go for the Throat will do just fine on a Courser of Kruphix after all! Anyway, how's this one?

 

[Lucre]

I'm totes still dreaming of hybrid grixis cards for you but this was my first rendition


Instant
Return target permanent to it's owners hand.
Target player discards their hand and draws than many cards.

 

[Onderzeeboot]

I'm totes still dreaming of hybrid grixis cards for you but this was my first rendition


Instant
Return target permanent to it's owners hand.
Target player discards their hand and draws than many cards.

That is... pretty fucking awesome!

 

[Lucre]

its cool but it's not good really.

 

[Onderzeeboot]

its cool but it's not good really.

It's an instant speed Vindicate! That makes sense! It's awesome! And it's even simply a bounce + a cycle your hand if that's what you need! Plus I get to keep my gorgeous art because the flavor still fits

 

[Lucre]

Madman's Fancy
Creature - Horror
Flying
When Madman's Fancy enters the battlefield draw 4 cards and discard 4 cards from your hand.
4/4

 

[Onderzeeboot]

Pretty good, but between Witch Doctor, Eerie Presence, and Flee the Flames I have Grixis fully covered! Thanks to you I now need an additional hybrid spell in the other colors though!

, , and .

 

[Lucre]

You wana give these colour combinations, especially the airy ones like dimir and izzet, a card they can really lean on. I feel like rewarding them with a creature that blocks well and can win the game and can help set up your next turn is something they need more than any cute effect, repeatable or otherwise.

Eerie presence does that kinda too I guess though.


Creature - Human Wizard
Prowess
When NAME enters the battlefield return a instant or sorcery spell from your graveyard to your hand.
2/2

I feel like this could just be regrowth though.

 

[Onderzeeboot]

You wana give these colour combinations, especially the airy ones like dimir and izzet, a card they can really lean on. I feel like rewarding them with a creature that blocks well and can win the game and can help set up your next turn is something they need more than any cute effect, repeatable or otherwise.

Eerie presence does that kinda too I guess though.


Creature - Human Wizard
Prowess
When NAME enters the battlefield return a instant or sorcery spell from your graveyard to your hand.
2/2

I feel like this could just be regrowth though.

I don't think should be able to return creatures just like that. I did already add the 2/2 prowess Izzet Chronarch at though.

 

[Onderzeeboot]

Got some more hybrids, thoughts? (Secretly adding Conjuress of the Glade again )