General The Most Powerful Card Ever
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Onderzeeboot
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Wait... I have that deja vu feeling...
Im curious, why do you want to know? I mean, isn't this kinda known information? Ancestral Recall, Time Walk, the original Moxen, Black Lotus, Sol Ring, the best conspiracies, Lutri, superior mana fixing.
Im curious, why do you want to know? I mean, isn't this kinda known information? Ancestral Recall, Time Walk, the original Moxen, Black Lotus, Sol Ring, the best conspiracies, Lutri, superior mana fixing.
Onderzeeboot
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Noone:
WotC: +3 hand size and perfect information, we can probably balance that with -4 starting life!
WotC: +3 hand size and perfect information, we can probably balance that with -4 starting life!
The deja vu is because the other thread was corrupted by trolls.
I think it is interesting because, just like you mention 11 cards + whichever many fast mana cards you wanted, it is much more difficult to actually find the best one in a vacuum.
I would point out that in the new forum software you can resize images by dragging the corners, but here I think the size is appropriate.
Chris Taylor
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Vanguard has some nutty ones:
I figure gerrard vs squee or someone else who starts with an increase hand size depends on how long the games go. Legacy has it 1 turn and 40 turn games, after all
I figure gerrard vs squee or someone else who starts with an increase hand size depends on how long the games go. Legacy has it 1 turn and 40 turn games, after all
yeah by a lot and its not close. start of game bonuses are the most powerful effects in the game because you always have them regardless of starting position. black lotus and contract are really fucking good when i draw them, but squee allows me to start literally every game with a free ancestral that occurs even as im taking my mulligan, it's totally egregious hahaha.
Onderzeeboot
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I think this might be the most broken Vanguard card though. Exploration + 9 cards probably beats Telepathy + 10 cards
Let's run some games and find outI think this might be the most broken Vanguard card though. Exploration + 9 cards probably beats Telepathy + 10 cards
Onderzeeboot
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Thanks but no
She certainly might be, the extra mana on turn 1 might be slightly stronger for storm than the 10th card. Probably depends on format legality though, if we’re talking vintage banlist but all the banned cards are now restricted it might be Titania, but if it’s a true free for all format I think it might still be squee as the extra card can help a lot for decks like ripple to have lower failrates.View attachment 4018
I think this might be the most broken Vanguard card though. Exploration + 9 cards probably beats Telepathy + 10 cards
Onderzeeboot
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Get ready to proxy them or shell out a lot of money! These aren't cheap anymore!I'm now tempted to get a pile of these old vanguard cards and just try stuff like 'everyone gets one random vanguard dealt in the middle of the draft'. It's not something for every draft, but it would be interesting to see the impact on my low powered format
You could just keep it on your phone or write it on some paper. Doesn't actually interact with anything, so that'd probably be fine.
Oh wow. I wish mine weren't beat to hell, I'd sell them in a heartbeat
I agree Titania is probably better than Squee. It's like having a Mox Diamond and Ancestral Recall together.
considering how winrates plummet in retail limited as soon as you take your first mulligan, i would hesitate to hand out vanguards randomly in most environments. having them in the draft OCCASIONALLY would be fun though