FlowerSunRain
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I believe that it is.
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Well Blood Artist is sweet... double the mana cost (now it comes down much later) and give him a marginal evasive body... it's possible. They never played it in any constructed format though, did they?
CML on ChannelFireball:
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/legacy-weapon-modern-brew-contest/
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/legacy-weapon-modern-brew-contest/
CML
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Could still be a Cube card even if not Constructed-worthy due to being a ridiculous bomb in ISD draft / the extra mana mattering somewhere in between the two
Good thing we didn't tell him about the new list though oh ho ho! Though I predict even if I did nobody would care, unless I told Woo*
*lol as if
Good thing we didn't tell him about the new list though oh ho ho! Though I predict even if I did nobody would care, unless I told Woo*
*lol as if
Dom Harvey
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one of those cards costs 4
Chris Taylor
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Whereas the other just requires you to keep it alive for several turns
so today i lost horribly game 1 to a much better deck
and in game 2 i went (roughly from memory)
ponder
goblin electromancer
sylvan library
primal command your land
acidic slime your land
eternal witness for primal command, deglamer your everflowing chalice
primal command
game 3
utopia sprawl
beast within your land
serendib efreet
acidic slime your other land
primal command tutoring for eternal witness
overload cyclonic rift bouncing the beast within token, everflowing chalice, and some random creature
primal command again
and basically locked him out because he wasn't drawing a whole lot of lands anyway. i mystic snaked the only relevant spell he ever actually played in the whole game.
is this a design problem or this okay if it happens? this seems very improbable, but at the same time i'm pretty sure he had a bad experience. he took it pretty well because he's used to magic being like this sometimes but still.
and in game 2 i went (roughly from memory)
ponder
goblin electromancer
sylvan library
primal command your land
acidic slime your land
eternal witness for primal command, deglamer your everflowing chalice
primal command
game 3
utopia sprawl
beast within your land
serendib efreet
acidic slime your other land
primal command tutoring for eternal witness
overload cyclonic rift bouncing the beast within token, everflowing chalice, and some random creature
primal command again
and basically locked him out because he wasn't drawing a whole lot of lands anyway. i mystic snaked the only relevant spell he ever actually played in the whole game.
is this a design problem or this okay if it happens? this seems very improbable, but at the same time i'm pretty sure he had a bad experience. he took it pretty well because he's used to magic being like this sometimes but still.
in game 2 he went
shockland tapped
cycle eternal dragon
trinket mage for dispellers capsule
miss land drop play capsule so that he can blow up my sylvan library but i blew up his white source and then he basically never drew another land again and discarded good 3/4 drops the whole game. eventually much later he drew into land and i mystic snaked and untapped and killed him. he had cheaper spells he just happened to just draw all his 3-5 drops while keeping a 2-land + eternal dragon hand
and in game 3 i don't quite remember as well but it was a pretty similar story. i think he played vampire nighthawk or something, but it didnt really matter
shockland tapped
cycle eternal dragon
trinket mage for dispellers capsule
miss land drop play capsule so that he can blow up my sylvan library but i blew up his white source and then he basically never drew another land again and discarded good 3/4 drops the whole game. eventually much later he drew into land and i mystic snaked and untapped and killed him. he had cheaper spells he just happened to just draw all his 3-5 drops while keeping a 2-land + eternal dragon hand
and in game 3 i don't quite remember as well but it was a pretty similar story. i think he played vampire nighthawk or something, but it didnt really matter
Dom Harvey
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That's more than fine; it's a bunch of cards coming together in an unlikely and unusual way. It's not as if you went Molten Rain into Avalanche Riders into Acidic Slime or w/e.
That seems like a pretty reasonable sequence. Land denial tactics have become less prevalent in my cube, partly due to me removing one or two effects, and largely because our curves have gotten super low. The "I got to cast nothing" games don't really happen here.
Sounds like maybe he had a poop durdly deck though? I don't really feel obliged to try to protect my players from bad deckbuilding.
Sounds like maybe he had a poop durdly deck though? I don't really feel obliged to try to protect my players from bad deckbuilding.
How much more baller is this card when everybody has 2-3 Moxen in their decks?
T1: Land, Mox, Skyfisher, Mox, 1-drop, Go.
T1: Land, Mox, Skyfisher, Mox, 1-drop, Go.
FlowerSunRain
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How much more baller is this card when everybody has 2-3 Moxen in their decks?
T1: Land, Mox, Skyfisher, Mox, 1-drop, Go.
People always said he was not complete ass, which in my experience was pretty untrue. I assume making it cost 1 helps a lot.
I love that card anyway. Great in aggro, and now and then it finds its way into some random value decks.
Your deck looks pretty good to me from the play sequence you gave. Denial decks can leave a bad taste in people's mouths from my experience - no one likes to feel like they had no control over the outcome of the game. Thankfully, there really isn't enough quality land destruction to really create a huge problem. IMO anyway. As Jason said, the lower your mana curve the less this will happen too.
On a related note, I built a casual land destruction deck many years ago featuring tons of mana acceleration, things like stone rain, wildfire and helldozer. That deck was so annoying that all my friends banned it. The funny thing is that it didn't win all that much because it really was sorty of janky, but when it won people felt like they just got railroaded. Ever since then, I've been leery of land destruction. A little here or there is OK, but decks that are based on it just don't appeal to my play group.
On a related note, I built a casual land destruction deck many years ago featuring tons of mana acceleration, things like stone rain, wildfire and helldozer. That deck was so annoying that all my friends banned it. The funny thing is that it didn't win all that much because it really was sorty of janky, but when it won people felt like they just got railroaded. Ever since then, I've been leery of land destruction. A little here or there is OK, but decks that are based on it just don't appeal to my play group.
Two things happened recently. One is I started getting fed up with paying money for cards. I mean, I have a bunch of expensive cards in my binder, but I can't trade them away or turn them into good trash, and the cards I'm looking for are more than I can afford. Also, the cards I want are for my cube, where nobody really cares if I have proxies, it's just a little less fun. The other thing is my house got a printer, so I've stopped worrying about cards and just printing what I need.
Then today we had an 8-man with a wizards employee and it turns out he's not allowed to use proxies. "We don't call them proxies," he said. They call them "fake cards". Lame.
So I pulled out all the proxies and we drafted anyway. I don't think it mattered, all the decks were pretty jank anyway.
Then today we had an 8-man with a wizards employee and it turns out he's not allowed to use proxies. "We don't call them proxies," he said. They call them "fake cards". Lame.
So I pulled out all the proxies and we drafted anyway. I don't think it mattered, all the decks were pretty jank anyway.
And years ago I would have respected that and not used proxies. But Wizards crossed a line for me when they went and created the mythic rarity for no reason and essentially manufactured a whole new price point for cards, making the high end game even less accessible to people.
I'll buy cards if they are under $20 because I prefer playing with real cards (they look better). But as long as Wizards thinks it's OK for pieces of cardboard to cost $100+, they can blow me on their "no proxy" mantra.
weird
did you have any custom cards or was it just regular proxies? i could see custom cards because they have the "no looking at card ideas" lawyer thing even though every other company i can think of ever looks at outside ideas. though i suppose maro is probably happier to NOT have to see the majority of people's awful ideas
Naw, I have one custom card in the cube and that was fine. He can't play with "fake cards" because it goes against wizards making money from what they do (fair enough, really). The not seeing custom cards is just for designers, as far as I know. Not that I know very far.
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