Sets [DMH] Duskmourn: House of Horror
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I feel like that is the only conceivable way to interpret what you wrote.
To expand, introducing Duskmourn isn't going to make Zendikar or Innistrad feel any less stagnant or unchanging, I don't retroactively like Zendikar Rising any more as a set now that this one has been announced. So the only way that expanding the levels of acceptable technology would make those stagnant or unchanging would be to introduce those elements to those planes as well. Your central issue with long-term worldbuilding appears to be related to maintaining a status-quo, which is tangential to how many magic planes have invented radio signals, and Duskmourn will be equally dull by the third visit under the same priorities.
That's not what I was trying to articulate. Sorry for confusing you!
Again, we agree.
I just keep my UB skepticism focused on UB sets and cards.
Can’t really help you there. It’s my opinion and pretty damn logical.
Eh not a fan of some of the aesthetic choices here but it's whatever. I just pick and choose what I like depending on card functionality and art and then just ignore the rest. It is weird how contemporary this set feels almost to where the lines between UB and actual Magic sets are starting to feel blurred.
No they for sure didn’t retcon ‘the eye of Ugin’ into The Eye of Ugin. Did you just come up with that yourself?
One is the name of the spirit dragon and its flame. The other is a location named after that spirit dragon and its flame.
You can read more about it here:
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Ghostfire
And here:
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Eye_of_Ugin
This I also agree with.
I have just decided to not have two mortal enemies: Both the in-game lore and the UB.
I chose UB because it’s the greater sinner to our game.
I’ll concede to this. It’s very season 4 of Stranger Things on Duskmourn. How would it feel to have Ajani, Elspeth, Bolas and Jaya visit Duskmourn? Super weird I would say
Shirtless Ajani would probably fit the survivor vibe. I know that's probably not what you were getting at, but it's still a fun thought!
Also, try to avoid spamming the thread; you can quote multiple people in the same post, just as I have done here!
Cool, huh?
I've been waiting to see TV's in MtG since the first Ravnica set. While I'm not crazy about the fanny packs, and I think the 80's fashion could be made a lot more fantastical, at the end of the day a Multiverse can't just be castles and elves and regurgitated-recannibalized Tolkien stuff.
The Planeswalker's Guide to Duskmourn article was very convincing for me. I think it's cool worldbuilding, but like a lot of recent planes it will suffer from the Single Set Block structure until we return.
Right now, I think the Multiverse has several planes that feel too thin:
Kaladesh, Amonkhet, New Capenna, Thunder Junction, and Kaldheim all need return sets so we can get deeper into the lore. Ixalan's crazy Hollow Earth twist really showed the lore-expanding potential of what remains to be discovered in some of these planes.
Anyway, I'm hoping for one really solid House of Leaves reference before this is all over.
The Planeswalker's Guide to Duskmourn article was very convincing for me. I think it's cool worldbuilding, but like a lot of recent planes it will suffer from the Single Set Block structure until we return.
Right now, I think the Multiverse has several planes that feel too thin:
Kaladesh, Amonkhet, New Capenna, Thunder Junction, and Kaldheim all need return sets so we can get deeper into the lore. Ixalan's crazy Hollow Earth twist really showed the lore-expanding potential of what remains to be discovered in some of these planes.
Anyway, I'm hoping for one really solid House of Leaves reference before this is all over.
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Ehm no
You don’t have to attempt to give me advices unless I specifically ask for it. Got it?
Onderzeeboot
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You just triple-posted. That’s always been frowned upon, and Train chose to be very friendly and tongue-in-cheek about it. Maybe he should have been more direct?
Please don’t triple-post. Got it?
Unnecessary comment
Who hurt you?
Onderzeeboot
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I could ask you the same. Train stayed on topic, and casually remarked that it’s not necessary to double-or triple-post. They probably thought you weren’t aware of the multi-quote functionality, because you could have used that to avoid the triple-post. It was a polite and justified request and good advice. You reacted very defensively, saying Train shouldn’t even attempt to give you advice unless you specifically ask for it. I literally used your own language to make a point. If you read your own response again and compare it to my response, you will see that the tone is similar. It is a tone that’s not pleasant to read, as you have just experienced when reading my post. I apologize for the harsh tone of my message. I felt it was the best way, though not the friendliest, to get the message across. No hard feelings <3
PS But seriously though, please don’t triple-post. There was nothing wrong with the content of your individual posts, it’s just that you could have bundled them into one post.
PPS To get back on topic (sort of)… I’m still more excited about Duskmourne than about Bloomburrow, and I really hadn’t expected that based on my personal preferences (again, I hate horror and love Redwall). I feel like I embraced Universes Beyond already. The good designs make it hard to ignore. I just want to play good Magic, and Lorién Revealed is exactly what I like.
There is a problem there, however, which was recently touched upon by PleasantKenobi in one of his videos. The One Ring has been rapidly climbing in price, and because it’s from a UB set, it’s really hard to reprint it, and so it’s really hard to solve that problem for WotC. Their only option, provided they want to keep the format accessible, basically is to ban The One Ring, which feels really wrong. Someone somewhere lamented the fact that WotC didn't use the Godzilla frame, and I completely agree with them. They could have come up with an in universe name and printed that in small, just so they retain the option to reprint the cards under their in universe name. A shame, really!
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You shouldn’t break down just because someone is answering three questions with three answers in three different messages to give them all focus. Something must have happened since you keep coming back to this situation again and again. It was just three answers to three questions.
If only that were the case then everything would have been fine. You’re wrong on both regards though.
Kirb Edit: Angry callouts are not on
Edit: Actually don’t answer that question. If you have any more problems you can text me in private. No more off topic !
I’m going to double post now but it wasn’t on purpose this time. I must have cut the rest of your reply by accident and only now just saw the rest.
I will try and remember not to triple post in the future. There’s nothing in the rules against it unless they’ve been changed without my knowledge. I didn’t know it would be so bad.
I triple posted on purpose to give each question a proper individual reply. But I will try and remember to not do that again in the future.
Don’t answer to this. No more detailing because you two want to talk about me as a person. Stay on topic now!!
Back to you @ravnic
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Okay, that was a fun little side tangent now wasn't it.
I've merged some double posts so the forum flows a bit better.
I've given out some warnings and had some good talks.
They haven't spoiled any common cards for this set, so I have nothing else to really say on this set yet.
I've merged some double posts so the forum flows a bit better.
I've given out some warnings and had some good talks.
They haven't spoiled any common cards for this set, so I have nothing else to really say on this set yet.
When FUT came out, "the eye of Ugin" was like, he's blessed you! you can see the otherwise invisible (read: colorless) stuff! that's why this card has invisible fire on it! it's from the fuuuuuuture!
Then several years later, they used the name "Eye of Ugin" to refer to an actual, physical location.
Would they have called it the "Eye" specifically if they didn't have a preexisting phrase "Eye of Ugin"?
I don't know of some sight-based bit in the lore I'm not aware of that makes "the underground cave locus of a network of hedrons that locks the Eldrazi away" have to be specifically an eye? I certainly don't see one on the wiki, like, I don't see why it had to be an eye if not for that flavor text, but it actually has nothing to do with that flavor text.
And then ghostfire, Ugin's signature magic, is the key to "opening" the Eye of Ugin (unsealing the Eldrazi. wait, I get it, opening the eye. maybe that's why they reused the name?)
But the concept of Ugin "gifting people his eye" (to see ghostfire) is not one that has been referenced again at any point that I'm aware of? Like, the ghostfire spell was on the Dragon Scroll, and it's a thing that some Jeskai knew how to wield, but being able to see it was not something that came up anywhere?
So it's not a retcon in the sense of "oh yeah the eye has always meant this physical thing"
but it might be a retcon in the sense of "hey yeah we had this phrase 'eye of Ugin' lying around and we reused it so please be careful with this Ghostfire flavor text, it doesn't mean what you think it does now that the subequent Eye has become more famous", right?
Do you think any cards with the Impending mechanic could have an impact on Pauper, or is it more of a Standard/Commander/Limited keyword?
If they had a gory orcish lumberjack buzzsaw mech-type artifact I would've loved it but just smacking horror media references directly on game pieces is not my thing.
Being reminded that things exist in subgenres of media I have previously consumed isn't something I much care for anymore.
Being reminded that things exist in subgenres of media I have previously consumed isn't something I much care for anymore.
Really hoping to see Glimmers at uncommon and common, and I'm excited to see Delirium in the set, too.
Hoping to see a card with a TV on it that has two or more Channel abilities. Maybe in a commander deck?
It would be cool of the Wickerfolk are green artifact creatures, like that Timber Paladin.
Hoping to see a card with a TV on it that has two or more Channel abilities. Maybe in a commander deck?
It would be cool of the Wickerfolk are green artifact creatures, like that Timber Paladin.
Onderzeeboot
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Great. Now I want them to reprint Zap with new artwork, featuring a remote and a crackling television
MaRo game!
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Here are my thoughts:
The Time counters are on several cards in the set, since they are used in the Impending mechanic.
Rev counters belong to Chainsaw (I'm so happy they just did an actual chainsaw instead of the stupidRipsaws from Innistrad).
Nest counters belong to Twitching Doll.
Lore counters indicate Sagas will be in the set!
We haven't seen the card that uses Possession counters yet.
The rest of the counters are either evergreen or are counters of evergreen mechanics.
Got you!
I don't have a lot of other thoughts this time. I am very excited for this set though! It's funny how this went from my least anticipated set for the year to the most. I think this set has the potential to be the best of the year.
The new plane of Duskmourn is a perilous place, but if you can survive the horrors within you may come out stronger than ever. I’ve been there. I’ve seen the darkness and to that end, here are some hints of things to come – but will this information help or hinder your journey? Only time will tell. As with any good piece of horror media, you’re only receiving partial information and things are not always as they appear:
First up, here are some things you can expect:
• A component of the set with a frame using technology first designed for an Un-set
• A tweak on an ability word that first appeared in the third set of a block
• Counters used in the set: +1/+1, -1/-1, finality, flying, lifelink, lore, loyalty, nest, possession, rev, stun, and time
• The first ability word to reference “second main phase”
• A 10/1 creature for UUU
• A variant on a mechanic that itself was a variant on another mechanic
• A modal three mana white mass removal spell
• A character returns as a legendary creature that first appeared in flavor text in Alpha
• A new ability word that cares about a card type and a (new) keyword action
• Creature tokens: 1/1 white Toy, 1/1 white Glimmer, 2/1 white Insect, 3/1 white Spirit, 4/4 white Beast, blue token copy, X/X blue Spirit, 2/2 black Horror, 6/6 black Demon, 1/1 red Gremlin, 1/1 red Balloon, 2/2 green Spider, 1/1 black and green Insect, and 0/0 green and blue Fractal
Next, here are some rules text that will be showing up on cards:
• “unlock a locked door”
• “Search your library for a Demon card,”
• “where X is the number of creatures you control with power 2 or less.”
• “Exile any number of target instant, sorcery, and/or Tamiyo planeswalker cards from your graveyard.”
• “The same is true for creature spells you control and creature cards you own that aren’t on the battlefield.”
• “You have no maximum hand size and don’t lose the game for having 0 or less life.”
• “Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets only a single creature you control, copy that spell.”
• “Shards you control become copies of it until the beginning of the next end step.”
• “of creatures you control that don’t have the same name as this creature.”
• “(2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, and 31 are prime numbers.)”
Here are some creature type lines from the set:
• Creature – Human Doctor
• Creature – Kor Survivor
• Creature – Goat
• Creature – Shark
• Creature – Eye
• Creature – Fish Insect
• Artifact Creature – Monkey Toy
• Creature – Human Clown Berserker
• Legendary Creature – Elder Demon
• Legendary Creature – Rat Ninja Wizard
Finally, here are some names in the set:
• Acrobatic Cheerleader
• Don’t Make a Sound
• Exorcise
• Friendly Ghost
• Jump Scare
• Let’s Play a Game
• Meathook Massacre II
• Orphans of the Wheat
• Split Up
• Unsettling Twins
Tune into Duskmourn’s Debut at 2pm PT, August 31 – streaming live from PAX West – where the House will finally reveal more of its secrets.
First up, here are some things you can expect:
• A component of the set with a frame using technology first designed for an Un-set
• A tweak on an ability word that first appeared in the third set of a block
• Counters used in the set: +1/+1, -1/-1, finality, flying, lifelink, lore, loyalty, nest, possession, rev, stun, and time
• The first ability word to reference “second main phase”
• A 10/1 creature for UUU
• A variant on a mechanic that itself was a variant on another mechanic
• A modal three mana white mass removal spell
• A character returns as a legendary creature that first appeared in flavor text in Alpha
• A new ability word that cares about a card type and a (new) keyword action
• Creature tokens: 1/1 white Toy, 1/1 white Glimmer, 2/1 white Insect, 3/1 white Spirit, 4/4 white Beast, blue token copy, X/X blue Spirit, 2/2 black Horror, 6/6 black Demon, 1/1 red Gremlin, 1/1 red Balloon, 2/2 green Spider, 1/1 black and green Insect, and 0/0 green and blue Fractal
Next, here are some rules text that will be showing up on cards:
• “unlock a locked door”
• “Search your library for a Demon card,”
• “where X is the number of creatures you control with power 2 or less.”
• “Exile any number of target instant, sorcery, and/or Tamiyo planeswalker cards from your graveyard.”
• “The same is true for creature spells you control and creature cards you own that aren’t on the battlefield.”
• “You have no maximum hand size and don’t lose the game for having 0 or less life.”
• “Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets only a single creature you control, copy that spell.”
• “Shards you control become copies of it until the beginning of the next end step.”
• “of creatures you control that don’t have the same name as this creature.”
• “(2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, and 31 are prime numbers.)”
Here are some creature type lines from the set:
• Creature – Human Doctor
• Creature – Kor Survivor
• Creature – Goat
• Creature – Shark
• Creature – Eye
• Creature – Fish Insect
• Artifact Creature – Monkey Toy
• Creature – Human Clown Berserker
• Legendary Creature – Elder Demon
• Legendary Creature – Rat Ninja Wizard
Finally, here are some names in the set:
• Acrobatic Cheerleader
• Don’t Make a Sound
• Exorcise
• Friendly Ghost
• Jump Scare
• Let’s Play a Game
• Meathook Massacre II
• Orphans of the Wheat
• Split Up
• Unsettling Twins
Tune into Duskmourn’s Debut at 2pm PT, August 31 – streaming live from PAX West – where the House will finally reveal more of its secrets.
Here are my thoughts:
+1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters in the same set is not done very often!MaRo said:
The Time counters are on several cards in the set, since they are used in the Impending mechanic.
Rev counters belong to Chainsaw (I'm so happy they just did an actual chainsaw instead of the stupidRipsaws from Innistrad).
Nest counters belong to Twitching Doll.
Lore counters indicate Sagas will be in the set!
We haven't seen the card that uses Possession counters yet.
The rest of the counters are either evergreen or are counters of evergreen mechanics.
This set is either going to be awesome or is going to suck lol. I'm erring on the side of "Awesome" at the moment given the cards we've seen so far. That said, I'm not sure how I feel about all of these. On one hand, "Meathook Massacre II" seems a little bit on the nose. On the other hand, "Jump Scare" might just be the closest thing to a FNAF card we'll ever get. Either way, I doubt this set will be worse than Bloomburrow!MaRo said:
Got you!
This is probably Nashi, Tamiyo's adopted son!MaRo said:
I don't have a lot of other thoughts this time. I am very excited for this set though! It's funny how this went from my least anticipated set for the year to the most. I think this set has the potential to be the best of the year.
Chainsaw looks like an Arkham Horror LCG card
Onderzeeboot
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It’s a cool design though!
Chris Taylor
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Yeah it's played really well so far.
Toby as well, giving your tokens flying is a big game, and he's both meaningfully better & worse than blade splicer
I'm also interested in the Wandering rescuer, and I run a custom that's really close to come back wrong (1bb instant instead of 2b sorcery, also hits walkers)
Toby as well, giving your tokens flying is a big game, and he's both meaningfully better & worse than blade splicer
I'm also interested in the Wandering rescuer, and I run a custom that's really close to come back wrong (1bb instant instead of 2b sorcery, also hits walkers)