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You missed the unsung third variant of these guys:
That said, no idea which variant is the best. I guess it depends on how self contained you want things to be, or if you are a big fan of hip-thrust art.
Tuskguard captain for me, unless you happen to have higher than average number of warriors. It's more interesting by itself.
Onderzeeboot
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Onderzeeboot
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There are a few new warriors for the Paragon to play with, but the Grizzly Bear body has always been unappealing to me.
What warriors do people actually play?
FlowerSunRain
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8 red, 5 Black, 1 White, 2 Gold.
Highlights include Seeker of the Way, Bloodsoaked Champion, Wild Nactyl, Gore-House Chainwalker and Viashino Slaughtermaster.
CML
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Onderzeeboot
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Ok. I'm looking for another triland in my cube! One that, unlike the only printed reasonable option, enters the battlefield untapped. Help me out here. It has to be balanced, playable, and groggable. If you have an even better idea, please tell me!
Edit: The first one is based on the fact that I run 5 guilds, and each combination of two overlapping guilds forms a supported three-color combination. So, in this case, I run Selesnya and Simic, which have green in common.
Edit: The first one is based on the fact that I run 5 guilds, and each combination of two overlapping guilds forms a supported three-color combination. So, in this case, I run Selesnya and Simic, which have green in common.
I quite like the third one, but wonder if its enough of a drawback?
Onderzeeboot
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The first is better than a basic forest, except it can't be fetched (and there are fetches in my cube), so it's very close to being unbalanced for a normal set. In cube I think it might actually be okay though. It only taps for one color on turn one though.
The second is perfect for aggressive decks, but hurts from turn 5 onward (on turn 4 you tap it for mana before you make your fourth land drop, though that might not be obvious to newer players, which is a strike against it).
I have to agree with anotak on the third. So that's out.
I'm inclined to go with the first one. It also promotes splashing the third color, because you are going to generate it anyway, so thats fun. I still feel there has to be something better that I haven't come up with yet.
The second is perfect for aggressive decks, but hurts from turn 5 onward (on turn 4 you tap it for mana before you make your fourth land drop, though that might not be obvious to newer players, which is a strike against it).
I have to agree with anotak on the third. So that's out.
I'm inclined to go with the first one. It also promotes splashing the third color, because you are going to generate it anyway, so thats fun. I still feel there has to be something better that I haven't come up with yet.
Cards that are almost strictly better than basics are a little dangerous, though, no? Especially ones that can generate three (!!) colours of mana.
I like the first design the best, but think it should have some sort of cost associated with it, moreso than just not being a basic land type. Maybe the first ability should cost you one life, to encourage people to only draft and run it if they're actually planning on splashing?
I like the first design the best, but think it should have some sort of cost associated with it, moreso than just not being a basic land type. Maybe the first ability should cost you one life, to encourage people to only draft and run it if they're actually planning on splashing?
Onderzeeboot
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Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. But Eric has a point. The question then is, when creating custom cards, do you want cards that would be balanced in constructed formats, or do you design cards specifically for your cube while disregarding their potential for constructed. After all, you're not going to play constructed with the cards.
It's a difficult question really, because keeping things honest for multiple formats means you are more bound to an acceptable power level. There's no doubt in my mind that the first card I designed would never be printed in real life since it's a straight upgrade from a basic Forest. It might not be game-breaking in cube, but it is undeniably better than a normal Magic card ought to be. Tacking on a life loss however feels like such an easy out. There must be a more elegant or original solution to my conundrum.
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Man. This nut is harder to crack than I thought.
Maybe it comes into play tapped, unless you fulfill a certain criteria? e.g. revealing a white or blue card from your hand?
Sure, but I assume the other non-basic lands that Onder is working with come out of the regular pool of Magic cards, none of which are strictly better than a basic land (save the original alpha duals). Unless he's planning on replacing most of them with custom designs, a card strictly better than a basic would probably be a fair bit better than everything else. It's a question of balance as much as anything, even if we're just comparing lands against other lands.
Sure, but I assume the other non-basic lands that Onder is working with come out of the regular pool of Magic cards, none of which are strictly better than a basic land (save the original alpha duals). Unless he's planning on replacing most of them with custom designs, a card strictly better than a basic would probably be a fair bit better than everything else. It's a question of balance as much as anything, even if we're just comparing lands against other lands.
Onderzeeboot
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I actually run a cycle of custom lands. I added basic land types to Seachrome Coast and made one of those for each guild. I don't run the original duals, the other duals are the fetches from Zendikar/Khans, the scry lands from Theros and the shock lands from Ravnica. Oh, and the triland from Alara/Khans. So, there's nothing there that's strictly better than a basic land at the moment.
CML
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oh i dunno it can really make things worse on people. the benefit they derive from the extra information is sometimes outweighed by not knowing what to do with it (or having the guy who revealed his hand mani-pulate them)
Pay 1 life?
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I like it! As long as people don't mind the fiddly-ness of Vivid-like counters on their lands. I'd kind of be inclined to make the first ability use charge counters, though, to make it not strictly better than basic Forest. I think you want the land to encourage splashing, and have the main colour be the fallback ability - though I know this is the opposite of how Vivids work.