General Fight Club
- Thread starter Jason Waddell
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vs. 
Yeah +1 powermatrix! It feels like a much bigger reward when you play it, but demonmail works if you want another sac-outlet?
vs. Which one? Both? Neither?
Night's Whisper easily. I don't think you would need Read the Bones unless your cube is 450+
Counterpoint: both are awesome, the one I wouldn't run except in large singleton cubes is Ambition's Cost.
Grillo_Parlante
Contributor
If your environment is very condensed, I would lean heavly towards night's whisper, since you only have so many windows to cast your sorcery speed draw spell. In general though, night's whisper does a better job smoothing out draws where you have 2 lands and need to find the third land. However, read the bones is better in situations where you are mana flooded.
I guess I would lean towards night's whisper in a vacuum, but I like both cards.
I guess I would lean towards night's whisper in a vacuum, but I like both cards.
CML
Contributor
I think we talked about the whole Black divination thing earlier, the conclusion I came to was that Night's Whisper was the coolest because costing 2 > costing 3 by a wider margin than scry 2 > nothing, and 1B > BB by a wider margin than target > no target.
FWIW the power level is obviously there for both cards.
FWIW the power level is obviously there for both cards.
As the others have said, nights whisper due to the casting cost.
I run both, they get played. I like them.
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
has been pleasant. It crosses over into the zombie and warrior tribes, is a good sacrifice outlet, and stalls well for black-based control decks.Oh my god, that art is sick!
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
Yeah, I got the promo art for my cube because it is so much better it's not even funny anymore 
Isn't this very similar to that very terrible 1/1 Undying Zombie that nobody plays?
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
The upside is higher. If you hit a creature you can unmorph it. Butcher Ghoul is never going to be more than a 2/2.
Unless you meant Geralf's Messenger, in which case, no, this isn't very similar
I meant Butcher Ghoul. I know the upside is a little higher... well, it depends on whether you care about +1/+1 counters I suppose. Manifest misses at 2/3rds of the time, and the manifested 2/2 is no longer a Zombie for cards that care about that.
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
True that. Maybe it's my cube, it's a little less cutthroat then most cubes I'ld wager.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
I actually like butcher ghoul better: He actually lets you cast gravecrawler on the backside.
I kinda wish there was B1 2/1 > 2/2, but alas
I kinda wish there was B1 2/1 > 2/2, but alas
Sultai Emissary totally plays better with CML's brainstorm package, FWIW. Which naturally pushes U/B into being a TINY bit more interesting as far as creature strategies go.