I had that in my cube for awhile. Cool card! Interesting that you can play it mid game to get a wrecking ogre sized creature, and then buff it later.
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- Thread starter Jason Waddell
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I'm looking to try this guy in my RG section.
I think he fits pretty well into the RG beats deck and his trigger can help push a little bit of damage through without being ridiculously oppressive like Ruric Thar.
I tried him as I had fond memories of that card from OG Ravnica, but he wasn't worth 3 mana over here. 3/4 with no evasion for 3 is pretty lackluster for a gold card. So I'd personally only run this if you have a ton of activated abilities where the text on this guy will be super relevant. I don't run walkers, so a good reason to run this guy is non-existent in my cube. And I only bring that point up to add context to my opinion of this card. YMMV, and I think the shaman has a higher average case scenario in most other cubes due to the walker interaction. That said, if he's just in there as a beater, I'd pass.
Don't do it, man. That thing wasn't even good in DGM draft.I'm going to give this one a shot in my cube:
Onderzeeboot
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Chris Taylor
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I suppose that's one way to take advantage of an absurd number of clues 
Shit. I'm gonna have to put Gargadon back in, aren't I? And right after I went on a big rant about it in the Elegance thread.
Grillo_Parlante
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just fyi, mysteries triggers off of non-token creatures. Just in case anyone thought you could strip all the counters off of garg in one go.
Chris Taylor
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It does still let you eat
Regular Creature --> Clue --> Soldier Token
Is there anything else that lets us sac any permanent for value?
Both. I love them. They enable the attrition archetype. Its a beautiful deck that's always fun to build and play. If more effects like these were printed, I would run them too.
Onderzeeboot
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Why would you ever want to run one of these? Either you run both because you love the effect (as I do), or you run neither of them because you hate the effect.
Grillo_Parlante
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He was just offering examples of sac outlets in response to chris' question.
Dom Harvey
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They don't play out in the same way and they are weak to different things. If your opponent is tapped out (which they almost always will be in the phase of the game that Braids is best in), Braids will always take something with it even if it dies which is rough e.g. if you land it T3 on the play. On the other hand, you're a lot more likely to be able to kill it than you are Smokestack, which is hard for many decks to remove and quickly escalates to devour your whole board. Smokestack at least gives you a turn of reprieve though. I can see wanting one and not the other.
Onderzeeboot
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Wow, I somehow missed that.
I've run both over the years, and I'm pleasantly surprised at how much my players and I've been enjoying Nightveil Specter. Even though devotion isn't a theme in my cube anymore, the extra damage from Specter isn't irrelevant, and it doesn't get randomly blocked by some opponents while sailing right past others; everyone has an equal opportunity to block it. For whatever reason, it's also more fun to "steal" the other player's cards, even though you won't be able to use ~1/3 of them for any given game.
I can understand the confusion, I didn't realise which thread this was. But yes, both, in multiples, ideally with nothing else in the cube.
Dom Harvey
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Specter leads to more memorable plays; I like Oblivion Sower and don't fully hate Ashiok for the same reasons, especially if you can find room in your heart/Cube for Vivids or other 5C lands