I said they moved away from it up until the ‘hexproof from color’ was printed which was in Dominaria. The Mare cycle you are refering to happened later in M19 and thus proves my point that we are now moving backwards from the trend we were for so long up until the ‘hexproof from color’ creatures.
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I said they moved away from it up until the ‘hexproof from color’ was printed which was in Dominaria. The Mare cycle you are refering to happened later in M19 and thus proves my point that we are now moving backwards from the trend we were for so long up until the ‘hexproof from color’ creatures.
The only bad thing in the design of Vine Mare is both lines of text. A hexproof 5/3 wouldn't be very problematic (good, but not very problematic). A "can't be blocked by black creatures" 5/3 wouldn't be that problematic. And "Hexproof from black" wouldn't be problematic either. The key is leaving room for interaction, which that design cleanly stops. It's more like Protection from Black than it is Hexproof from Black.
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You are absolutely right. The last non-reprint set with color-hate cards was Dragons of Tarkir (Surge of Righteousness, Encase in Ice, Self-Inflicted Wound, Rending Volley, and Display of Dominance). Well, I wouldn't mind them moving away from it again then, though if they want to keep something like that around, I maintain that 'hexproof from <color>' is one of the least annoying hate-implementations they have ever thought of.
And yes, it's definitely the combination of both abilities that makes this such an annoying card.
Didn't they have some colour hate cards in hour of devastation as well?
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Yeah, but only for the same color, not enemy colors. The effect of those on limited is less pronounced, because you are cutting that color anyway. Still,
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I tested both Selesnya split cards, and they were both excellent in my 
go wide decks! I even won a game where I went eot Assure // Assemble to make three tokens into Flower // Flourish to pump and attack for 12 (ok, 16 really, because I had another 2/2 lying around). I also got away with running a land less because of the Flower side in one of my drafts, and still have flood insurance because of the Flourish side. It's a pretty nice card, much nicer than I anticipated!
go wide decks! I even won a game where I went eot Assure // Assemble to make three tokens into Flower // Flourish to pump and attack for 12 (ok, 16 really, because I had another 2/2 lying around). I also got away with running a land less because of the Flower side in one of my drafts, and still have flood insurance because of the Flourish side. It's a pretty nice card, much nicer than I anticipated!
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The difference in border should help there. It does have a different layout after all.
Repost from the Brother's War thread, Surveil Matters just got a revamp!
MaRo has just confirmed Surveil and Landfall are becoming deciduous!
So that's 18 new Surveil cards! This is a big deal, because there 6 "surveil matters" cards in Guilds of Ravnica that just became significantly more well-supported than they were previously.
I think the big winner here is Blood Operative. This card always seemed like it was on the cusp of being good enough for Cube inclusion, but was just undersupported. A recursive 3/1 lifelink with built-in graveyard hate seems pretty good, but when you could only really surveil with Sinister Sabotage, Discovery // Dispersal, Doom Whisperer, Dream Eater, and Nightveil Sprite, it was not consistently triggerable. This errata has given us Consider, Curate, Eat to Extinction, Grim Flayer, and Search for Azcanta, in addition to the fantastic Dragon's Rage Channeler, Foul Watcher, Master of Death, and Sinister Starfish we got in Modern Horizon's 2!
MaRo has just confirmed Surveil and Landfall are becoming deciduous!
question 1 said:
question 2 said:
Importantly, these cards are being errataed to have surveil!MaRo said:
So that's 18 new Surveil cards! This is a big deal, because there 6 "surveil matters" cards in Guilds of Ravnica that just became significantly more well-supported than they were previously.
I think the big winner here is Blood Operative. This card always seemed like it was on the cusp of being good enough for Cube inclusion, but was just undersupported. A recursive 3/1 lifelink with built-in graveyard hate seems pretty good, but when you could only really surveil with Sinister Sabotage, Discovery // Dispersal, Doom Whisperer, Dream Eater, and Nightveil Sprite, it was not consistently triggerable. This errata has given us Consider, Curate, Eat to Extinction, Grim Flayer, and Search for Azcanta, in addition to the fantastic Dragon's Rage Channeler, Foul Watcher, Master of Death, and Sinister Starfish we got in Modern Horizon's 2!
Mono-color cards I'm looking at:
Also, good lord was I bad at card evaluation when I wrote this. Ew.Multicolor cards I'm looking at:
I could run all or none of these. I probably won't run more than 2 new Golgari and 1 new Dimir cards. Boros and Sylesnya both need a bit of a re-vamp in my cube, and I think these are a good place to start. I'm running all the Izzet cards on this list though
Looking through your list, I think you mainly missed on undergrowth--the rest of the list is at least defensible on power level even if it doesn't quite align with your goals these days. And you weren't the only one who assumed that WotC wouldn't kneecap an entire guild by giving them a really, really mediocre mechanic to work with.
I don't know, I think I should have known these wouldn't be good regardless of Undergrowth's power level.
Don’t be too hard on yourself @TrainmasterGT
We all do this. New shiny cards always look a little more interesting than they do two years after they’ve left Standard.
We all do this. New shiny cards always look a little more interesting than they do two years after they’ve left Standard.
WOTC caught reading the "Rehabilitating Parasites" thread.
They could learn a thing or two
My body is ready to curve Search for Azcanta into Disinformation Campaign, and none of you can stop me.
Is it that bad? If you do not share a colour with your opponent it could be a wipeout. But who plays slot of enchantments?
radiance is high-variance in a way that’s worse than rolling literal dice during a game of MTG
What do you mean it's high variance? You just need a little bit of this, and it's perfectly reliable!
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In all seriousness, Radiance is one of those mechanics that sucks because of the double-whammy of being wildly dependent on how good your format is at color fixing and the fact that they were hyper conservative with what effects they gave radiance.
I think that this thing is, quite literally, the only Radiance card I'd actually consider passable:
Because I mean... come on, Cleansing Beam? What were you thinking, Wotc?
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In all seriousness, Radiance is one of those mechanics that sucks because of the double-whammy of being wildly dependent on how good your format is at color fixing and the fact that they were hyper conservative with what effects they gave radiance.
I think that this thing is, quite literally, the only Radiance card I'd actually consider passable:
Because I mean... come on, Cleansing Beam? What were you thinking, Wotc?
