The winner in the category of "card for a slot I really didn't need any more cards in, but damn this thing is sweet and I'm going to run it" is:
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Dom Harvey
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did you try to suggest a Snake theme without mentioning Sosuke's Summons
How many cards in Magic's history actually care about snakes?
Chris Taylor
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Hey CML! You know what we needed? Cluestones but worse!
I can't find too many decklists but there was a snakes deck that came from kamigawa's saturation of snakes with the good snakes in dissension + jitte and good counterspells.
Patagia Viper is often overlooked.
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=49583
Hey CML! You know what we needed? Cluestones but worse!
What a pretty card though.
So....am I the only one who likes the Mardu Demon?
Rabblemaster just gets more and more appealing...
Rabblemaster just gets more and more appealing...
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
A 5/4 flying for four is already plenty playable. I have half a mind to up the number of gold spells in my cube again.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
I do too, but I don't know if I like him enough.
I just cut malestrom wanderer too. Cruel and Nacatl are the only surviving 3color cards.
I love all these designs, but are there enough awesome ones for me to change the fixing my cube offers so my drafters will play them?
And considering this set is all the 3 color cards we'll get (khans block isn't explicitly wedge) do I bother?
Chris Taylor
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Great Idea:
2x Fetchlands
2x Duals
1x Filter lands.
The saturation of fetches and duals would lead to being able to make extra use out of snatched up filter lands. The versatility of the fetchlands is key here. Life payment would cease to be so problematic and it would be easy to draft around potential 3 colour cards. You could go deeper on the filter lands if you were really inclined or had a big cube.
2x Fetchlands
2x Duals
1x Filter lands.
The saturation of fetches and duals would lead to being able to make extra use out of snatched up filter lands. The versatility of the fetchlands is key here. Life payment would cease to be so problematic and it would be easy to draft around potential 3 colour cards. You could go deeper on the filter lands if you were really inclined or had a big cube.
I've done something similar (2x fetches, 2x shocks, 1x wwk manlands, 1x enemy filters), and found the filter lands surprisingly underwhelming. Part of the problem is that filter lands can be awkward in anything other than strict two-colour decks, because of the requirement to put a coloured mana into them. For example, a WB deck splashing R will find Rugged Prairie to be all kinds of awkward, especially in the opener.
Temples might fill this role just fine, though.
Temples might fill this role just fine, though.
Well Eric, I'm talking about trying to support a multicolour format. Shocks are totally not duals when it comes to fetchlands too. That's something I've learned my lessons on.
I'm really sick of hearing people defending formats with shitty fixing because cluestones etc are supposed to be desperation picks and the game is fucked up when people take fixing over gold bombs. If there is anything I've learned from cubing it's that when you make fixing strong and available, you are usually not subject to a flood of 4 colour control decks, you get like 10x more freedom during the draft and you learn how to draft only the fixing you need and you NEVER FEEL DESPERATE.
/endrant
I shouldn't even get started on what design article indoctrinated players think RGD draft was like.
I'm really sick of hearing people defending formats with shitty fixing because cluestones etc are supposed to be desperation picks and the game is fucked up when people take fixing over gold bombs. If there is anything I've learned from cubing it's that when you make fixing strong and available, you are usually not subject to a flood of 4 colour control decks, you get like 10x more freedom during the draft and you learn how to draft only the fixing you need and you NEVER FEEL DESPERATE.
/endrant
I shouldn't even get started on what design article indoctrinated players think RGD draft was like.
FlowerSunRain
Contributor
I like the role shocks play as opposed to duals in my cube. The way they feel in play is more like a reward for playing fewer colors then a punishment for playing more colors. Its not like I'm running ankh or winter orb to punish decks for having the audacity to try to get 5 lands in play and paying too life to get your third color on curve feels like a calculated deckbuilding choice, not a kick in the junk.
Yeah I'm just trying to experiment with the "gold cube" problem and 3 colour inclusions. I'm not attacking your choice to make colour fixing costly.
FlowerSunRain
Contributor
While not a gold cube, my cube is rather multicolor friendly and assuming this hypothetical gold cube isn't balls to the walls fast, shocks are probably fine. That said, if the idea of the gold cube is to have every deck playing as many colors as they want with as little cost as possible it could certainly be valid to believe that playing shocks as opposed to duals is contrary to the spirit of the format.
I think you'll find very few decks in healthy formats will try to play "as many colours as they want" (read: all). Remember this is a draft format, you only have so many picks, and you can't always play like standard jund decks waiting to draw the right half of your deck if the format has any amount of consistency. Legacy can also be a great example of this, even if you don't expect too much colour hate, even if you have unlimited access to fairly painless fixing, people realize they must regulate their ambitions to some extent, and strong consistent decks will usually do that.
I think you guys are looking at the parts but not the whole. duals over shocks has a lot of implications on how you can lean on your fetches for minor jobs and other things like figuring out how many filter lands you can run, activating off colour shit like man-duals, kickers etc, using off colour sides of fetchlands.
A shock from a fetch puts a real price tag on that minor tom foolery and makes your 3 colour decks really into looking for lifegain (read: White or Green).
Anyway this shit is offtopic. I'm just saying there are ways we could be making it easier to draft 3 colour cards. Duals help in this respect not only in the decks they are in, but in the ease they confer during the drafting process.
I think you guys are looking at the parts but not the whole. duals over shocks has a lot of implications on how you can lean on your fetches for minor jobs and other things like figuring out how many filter lands you can run, activating off colour shit like man-duals, kickers etc, using off colour sides of fetchlands.
A shock from a fetch puts a real price tag on that minor tom foolery and makes your 3 colour decks really into looking for lifegain (read: White or Green).
Anyway this shit is offtopic. I'm just saying there are ways we could be making it easier to draft 3 colour cards. Duals help in this respect not only in the decks they are in, but in the ease they confer during the drafting process.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
Maybe the easy way to make 3 color cards work is more cards like city of brass.
You can play it as your basic fixing, but randomly it'll help you activate viashino slaughtermaster or cast your splashed Doran, the Siege Tower
Really really doesn't work for cruel ultimatum though...
You can play it as your basic fixing, but randomly it'll help you activate viashino slaughtermaster or cast your splashed Doran, the Siege Tower
Really really doesn't work for cruel ultimatum though...
Filter lands don't address the problem of supporting a multicolour format, though. Again, they're at their best in strictly two-colour decks.
Vivids, now, though. Or even tri-lands!