General Print this Wizards! (So I can put it in my cube)
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Chris Taylor
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Hey Guys, is this guy fair?
Double Strike, Vigilence
1/4
Double Strike, Vigilence
1/4
Chris Taylor
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I've got this irrational love of Standing Troops (and it's most recent iteration: Priests of Norn)
I think a 2/4 vigilence might actually do it in cube, but this guy is at least synergistic
I think a 2/4 vigilence might actually do it in cube, but this guy is at least synergistic
Chris Taylor
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Sure:
Chris Taylor
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Glibness aside, Cipher is another one of those mechanics which a huge huge upside which makes it hard to balance.
Say for example we have a cruel edict with cipher. How much should it cost?
Well, it's an edict, so it'll cost at least 2. Cipher probably adds some mana, but how much? What should it cost?
. Yes, I'm not joking. Maybe just because it would be so miserable for limited. Suddenly Undercity Plague is looking a little more fair.
For any given cipher spell, you need to balance around it happening twice now, and then once again for every turn thereafter.
So even something as simple as "draw a card" has to be balanced as if it were "Honden of Seeing Winds + Divination" because of the (quite likely) possibility of trigger + cipher onto flying men, so our cruel edict above isn't cruel edict at all, it's actually a one sided barter in blood + a one sided abyss. No Wonder it cost 7!
Basically no spell ever becomes playable when it has to be balanced around happening, since it either gets overcosted into oblivion (see above) or just does nothing in the first place (voidwalk)
Say for example we have a cruel edict with cipher. How much should it cost?
Well, it's an edict, so it'll cost at least 2. Cipher probably adds some mana, but how much? What should it cost?
. Yes, I'm not joking. Maybe just because it would be so miserable for limited. Suddenly Undercity Plague is looking a little more fair.For any given cipher spell, you need to balance around it happening twice now, and then once again for every turn thereafter.
So even something as simple as "draw a card" has to be balanced as if it were "Honden of Seeing Winds + Divination" because of the (quite likely) possibility of trigger + cipher onto flying men, so our cruel edict above isn't cruel edict at all, it's actually a one sided barter in blood + a one sided abyss. No Wonder it cost 7!
Basically no spell ever becomes playable when it has to be balanced around happening, since it either gets overcosted into oblivion (see above) or just does nothing in the first place (voidwalk)
Chris Taylor
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big mistake, totally a faerie how many human wizards do you know that can flyI think I may have made a big mistake
Wind Chaser
Creature - Human Wizard (U)
Flash, flying
When Wind Chaser enters the battlefield draw 2 cards then discard 2 cards from your hand.
2/1
otherwise i like it a lot. perhaps a bit too good but something has to be good
human insect is the side that can fly
I wonder if anybody has a Ryan Seacrest "Delver of Seacrest" alter.
Hedron Crab Decided to Be Fun
Creature - Crab
Landfall — Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, put the top three cards of your library your graveyard.
2/1
this is a drawback, right? also breakthrough is totally a fair card
Creature - Crab
Landfall — Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, put the top three cards of your library your graveyard.
2/1
this is a drawback, right? also breakthrough is totally a fair card
Vortex Elemental
Creature - Elemental Warrior
At the beginning of each player’s upkeep, Vortex Elemental deals 2 damage to that player.
If a player would gain life, that player gains no life instead.
1/1
how much worse is this than the real one? does this need to be a 2/1 or haste or something
Creature - Elemental Warrior
At the beginning of each player’s upkeep, Vortex Elemental deals 2 damage to that player.
If a player would gain life, that player gains no life instead.
1/1
how much worse is this than the real one? does this need to be a 2/1 or haste or something
Dom Harvey
Contributor
just give it hexproof and it's all good
FlowerSunRain
Contributor
Sorin, Sangromancer
+1 Each player loses a life
-2 Target opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life
-7 Destroy all creatures. You gain life equal to the number of creatures destroyed this way.
2 Loyalty
Stupid?
+1 Each player loses a life
-2 Target opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life
-7 Destroy all creatures. You gain life equal to the number of creatures destroyed this way.
2 Loyalty
Stupid?
More boring than stupid.Sorin, Sangromancer
+1 Each player loses a life
-2 Target opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life
-7 Destroy all creatures. You gain life equal to the number of creatures destroyed this way.
2 Loyalty
Stupid?
Both abilities don't effect the board in any way (can't even hit planeswalkers like daddy sorin), which in itself probably makes it too bad to play. The ultimate also isn't exactly the most desirable effect. Even Tibalt has a "you lose" ultimate. This is just a wrath. It's probably ok to just make it plague wind.Sorin, Sangromancer
+1 Each player loses a life
-2 Target opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life
-7 Destroy all creatures. You gain life equal to the number of creatures destroyed this way.
2 Loyalty
I think I'm going to start porting a bunch of old ideas over here during times when I should be reading about something current.
For now some dumb removal ideas:
Abomination (I know the name exists)
Instant (U)
Choose one - Destroy target non-black creature; or return target black creature from your graveyard to play.
Harm
Instant (U)
Destroy target creature with toughness 4 or less.
Sinking
Instant (U)
Creatures target player controls get -1/-1 until end of turn.
Swamp Cycling
Word of Wilting
Instant (R)
Creatures get -3/-3 until end of turn.
(sinking and word of wilting could be combined or something)
Brittle Flesh
Instant (U)
Target creature gets -1/-3 until end of turn.
(I know we can't all be as good as red at removal but maybe black can do part of what red cards do and something marginal as a bonus)
Ichor Flick
Instant
Put a -1/-1 counter on target creature, it's controller loses 1 life.
Flashback
For now some dumb removal ideas:
Abomination (I know the name exists)
Instant (U)
Choose one - Destroy target non-black creature; or return target black creature from your graveyard to play.
Harm
Instant (U)
Destroy target creature with toughness 4 or less.
Sinking
Instant (U)
Creatures target player controls get -1/-1 until end of turn.
Swamp Cycling
Word of Wilting
Instant (R)
Creatures get -3/-3 until end of turn.
(sinking and word of wilting could be combined or something)
Brittle Flesh
Instant (U)
Target creature gets -1/-3 until end of turn.
(I know we can't all be as good as red at removal but maybe black can do part of what red cards do and something marginal as a bonus)
Ichor Flick
Instant
Put a -1/-1 counter on target creature, it's controller loses 1 life.
Flashback
i guess im going to attempt to use thesein fact i even remember said gay republican designing a nice cycle of wwk manlands that i will try to reproduce below:
izzet -- 1UR 2/4
boros -- RW 1/1 double strike
orzhov -- 1WB 2/1 flying lifelink
golgari -- 2BG 3/3 deathtouch
simic -- 1GU 2/1 ophidian
Planeswalkers by Lucas Childs
The Cheap Black Enabler:
Lorne, In Chains
Planeswalker - Lorne (M)
[+1]: Sacrifice a creature if a creature was put into the graveyard this turn, draw a card.
[-2]: Draw a card then lose 2 life
[-4]: Target player sacrifices a creature, discards a card and loses 2 life.
[2HP]
The King of the Yard:
Lim-Dul, Returned
Planeswalker - Lim-Dul (TS)
[+1]: Exile card in target player's graveyard, put a 2/2 black zombie token into play tapped.
[-1]: search target player's library for a card and put it into that player's graveyard.
[-X]: Each player sacrifices all creatures she controls with converted mana cost X.
[4HP]
The Big Baddie:
Kelorn, The Despoiler
Planeswalker - Kelorn (M)
[+2]: Each player loses 2 life
[-4]: Destroy target creature or land, it cannot be regenerated.
[-X]: Target player loses X life and you gain X life.
[4HP]
The Sure Thing:
Tibalt, Lunatic
Planeswalker - Tibalt
[+1]: Target creature gets +2/+0 until end of turn.
[-1]: Discard a card from your hand, then draw a card
[-7]: You gain an emblem that reads: "Sacrifice a permanent: Deal 1 damage to target creature or player."
[2HP]
So kelorn is probz a little nuts and Lim Dul is probably not good for some environments but not any better than say a scavenger goo. If I wanted to make Kelorn more reasonable I'd probably give him 3 hp.
The Cheap Black Enabler:
Lorne, In Chains
Planeswalker - Lorne (M)
[+1]: Sacrifice a creature if a creature was put into the graveyard this turn, draw a card.
[-2]: Draw a card then lose 2 life
[-4]: Target player sacrifices a creature, discards a card and loses 2 life.
[2HP]
The King of the Yard:
Lim-Dul, Returned
Planeswalker - Lim-Dul (TS)
[+1]: Exile card in target player's graveyard, put a 2/2 black zombie token into play tapped.
[-1]: search target player's library for a card and put it into that player's graveyard.
[-X]: Each player sacrifices all creatures she controls with converted mana cost X.
[4HP]
The Big Baddie:
Kelorn, The Despoiler
Planeswalker - Kelorn (M)
[+2]: Each player loses 2 life
[-4]: Destroy target creature or land, it cannot be regenerated.
[-X]: Target player loses X life and you gain X life.
[4HP]
The Sure Thing:
Tibalt, Lunatic
Planeswalker - Tibalt
[+1]: Target creature gets +2/+0 until end of turn.
[-1]: Discard a card from your hand, then draw a card
[-7]: You gain an emblem that reads: "Sacrifice a permanent: Deal 1 damage to target creature or player."
[2HP]
So kelorn is probz a little nuts and Lim Dul is probably not good for some environments but not any better than say a scavenger goo. If I wanted to make Kelorn more reasonable I'd probably give him 3 hp.