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- Thread starter Dom Harvey
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There was an old thread on here, might be worth taking a peek at.
http://riptidelab.com/forum/threads/kill-it-with-fire-lets-talk-removal.616/
http://riptidelab.com/forum/threads/kill-it-with-fire-lets-talk-removal.616/
Chris Taylor
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That's an interesting premise.
I wonder how you could design to balance around that. It's decidedly anti-beatdown, as the control player usually skips their combat phase anyway.
Grillo_Parlante
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If you have a cube with a lot of impactful creatures with low default toughness, darkblast is an extremely fun value removal spell (dark confidant, delver of secrets, stormkirk noble, champion of the parish, young pyromancer, noble hierarch ect.). I love figuring out how to use various draw effects to de facto wrath the opposing board; especially when dredge is feeding your own graveyard interactions, or you're using the dredge in combination with TOL cantrips to fix your draws. Its a heavily interactive removal spell that really rewards skillful play in black control.
That being said, in the old cube it was pretty bad, since the important creatures were too big on average for it to ever really be spot removal.
FlowerSunRain
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Really good card. Blocks 3/xs all day, possibly forcing over extension, then can get bigger as needed. Survives most damage based sweepers at face value. Makes me wonder if Lagonna-band Trailblazer is playable too.
I run an asinine number of 1 mana creatures. Is getting 3 one mana dudes so much better then getting 1 three mana dude that its worth the clunkiness of needing dudes in the graveyard?
Value or value trap?
Alright, sold. As someone who ran Kraken Hatchling a few lifetimes ago, and has been looking for a good black defensive creature in forever, I think we may finally have a card that fits the bill.
Speaking of outlast guys, I just had a cube deck today with this guy:
I've really liked this card since it came out, but never quite got the courage up to cube it. I loved it! I'm pushing for Ion Storm to work in control, which means Trinket Mage, Chronomaton, Chimeric Mass and Everflowing Chalice just went in. I'm having Trinket Mage come with one of each artifact land.
I've really liked this card since it came out, but never quite got the courage up to cube it. I loved it! I'm pushing for Ion Storm to work in control, which means Trinket Mage, Chronomaton, Chimeric Mass and Everflowing Chalice just went in. I'm having Trinket Mage come with one of each artifact land.
As long as I'm asking blunt questions to everyone:
To the people who cube #Cabaltherapy what the heck is that about? You know what to call most of the time in your draft singleton format? Do you have a lot of hand peeking? Like do you guys play a million free sacrifices or something? I can see the card being okay if you cubed a tonne of multiples but I dunno man it seems supes shaky.
To the people who cube #Cabaltherapy what the heck is that about? You know what to call most of the time in your draft singleton format? Do you have a lot of hand peeking? Like do you guys play a million free sacrifices or something? I can see the card being okay if you cubed a tonne of multiples but I dunno man it seems supes shaky.
On the subject of walls I'm kinda super shaky on those too because I find a lot of people have really bad times when they are being blanked by walls, so that's something to keep an eye on.
I also find they are less interesting cards because they contribute very little to control and spells matter / tempo strategies, as they just sit around on the battlefield not triggering very much or contributing to a healthy graveyard while effectively acting like awkward removal, also unless they are a sweet value play you feel supes bad wrathing them lol.
Anyway this doesn't all apply to the ancestor, I love that it gets big and attacks but I just figure it takes forever to actually get big and attack worthy in the later game so like it must feel like a pretty dead draw mid/late. I know it doesn't always in khans limited when I've played her, but cubes are sorta more interactive and have splashier plays (most rare cubes, pardon).
Just some #wallfacts I've picked up along the way : )
I also find they are less interesting cards because they contribute very little to control and spells matter / tempo strategies, as they just sit around on the battlefield not triggering very much or contributing to a healthy graveyard while effectively acting like awkward removal, also unless they are a sweet value play you feel supes bad wrathing them lol.
Anyway this doesn't all apply to the ancestor, I love that it gets big and attacks but I just figure it takes forever to actually get big and attack worthy in the later game so like it must feel like a pretty dead draw mid/late. I know it doesn't always in khans limited when I've played her, but cubes are sorta more interactive and have splashier plays (most rare cubes, pardon).
Just some #wallfacts I've picked up along the way : )
Haven't seen it in action a lot yet, but i'm watching anxiously and skeptically. I figure its good enough if you have a lingering spirit, pyromancer elemental, talrand drake, bloodghast, gravecrawler, bloodstained champion, trading post goat, tuktuk, kitchen finks, voice of resurgence, gitaxian probe, custom 2/1 flyer that shows hand, thoughtseize, inquisition, tidehollow sculler, nest invader, young wolf(though I think I cut him), hallowed spritkeeper, and thats all i can think of
Speaking of outlast guys, I just had a cube deck today with this guy:
I've really liked this card since it came out, but never quite got the courage up to cube it. I loved it! I'm pushing for Ion Storm to work in control, which means Trinket Mage, Chronomaton, Chimeric Mass and Everflowing Chalice just went in. I'm having Trinket Mage come with one of each artifact land.
I think steel overseer is probably just better than chrono, but ive been considering that one.
There's no artifact theme in my cube though. There is Trinket Mage though now, so I like Chronomaton. Ignoring other interactions I like Chronomaton better still. It feels really efficient, and it's a little more interesting to play with. Costing 1 is sweet for a control deck that wants to use its mana really well and wants to hold up instants.
Dom Harvey
Contributor
If you didn't have a single other artifact creature in your Cube, Overseer would still be a better card than Chronomaton I think.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
I dont have actual cabal therapy (Mine says pick 2 cards, they choose one and discard it) but the sacrifice enabler is real, and sometimes you can get a decent idea of what they have.
Paying attention to the draft, knowing what cards will fuck you over, figuring out what they might have in their deck etc etc
I won't say I like it, and it probably works better with a more static (and less custom) list than mine, but I don't think it's too off the wall.
also: Hashtags? Really?
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
Chris Taylor
Contributor
It must be a faux hashtag, he's way over 140 characters
Still though. gotta call that kind of behavior out
Chris Taylor
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As someone who has never used twitter even once, hashtags have always been just another internet meme to me, and that seems to be how they work anyway.
#whatsocialmedia #livinginthestoneage #nofunallowed
On an unrelated note, how has this guy in particular panned out for people? I may have too many cards.
#whatsocialmedia #livinginthestoneage #nofunallowed
On an unrelated note, how has this guy in particular panned out for people? I may have too many
cards.