Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
Not 4 power (or greater), mana value 4 or greater!
Sets (VOW) Crimson Vow
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Nice! I notice that the spell doesn't even have to be a creature. Or a permanent for that matter, except when it checks on ETB. A one drop with a built in failsafe if drawn late is generally pretty good, and you don't even have to spend mana (on a kicker for example).
it was brought up in the discord that the pup grows when you cast Force of Will, Gush, or any of the MH2 Evokers (except the green one lol)
Actually it is a Zombify that you can cast as a Raise Dead/Disentomb in madness mode. I am intrigued.
This card makes me hyped for Kamigawa 2. I'll probably replace Silver Ravenwith it.
That is cool. I want a creepy 6/6 Healer's Hawk doll. A very non-parasitic artifacts payoff.
This card makes me hyped for Kamigawa 2. I'll probably replace Silver Ravenwith it.
That is cool. I want a creepy 6/6 Healer's Hawk doll. A very non-parasitic artifacts payoff.
That's on me for not double checking card names...
Sorcery
This is a sweet card. It's a Raise Dead that you can cast as a Disentomb when you discard it.
Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
When you discard Edgar's Awakening, you may pay B. When you do, return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
Not all heroes wear cape. But you should. I was wondering what the card did.
Dumb question, but... given what we've seen so far, how do you think it'd play better if you rewrote some designs using Clues to use Blood instead?
Part of me wants to redesign the Capitalism Cube with more custom cards, and having the artifact tokens be Blood and Treasure sounds awfully thematic to me...
Part of me wants to redesign the Capitalism Cube with more custom cards, and having the artifact tokens be Blood and Treasure sounds awfully thematic to me...
A lot of the cards in this set aren't particularly great, and many of the cards with interesting abilities are way overcosted or mostly for multiplayer (I love that in-text citations for new cards work now, thanks @James Stevenson!).
Ulvenwald Oddity maybe doesn't have the most interesting text box in the world (it's certainly void of any words that specify "do thing X with me" à la cards such as Bannerhide Krushok), but it makes up for that by having really solid abilities and cool art and flavor. There aren't a lot of nice big hasty green creatures that can lean into more proactive ramp strategies. The closest two cards are Questing Beast, which is word soup, and Surrak the Hunt Caller, which isn't always online when you want it to be. While both of those cards are certainly playable, they succinctly make the case of "I attack for a bunch the turn you play me," which is really what you want to be communicating with this sort of card. The fact that this can be a nice late-game mana sink is also pretty nice, letting rampy decks still have something good to do with any excess mana they may create. Plus, as I said, the very Canadian art is super cool.
What's more, and something I haven't seen discussed anywhere for this card, is that it's an extremely elegant execution of a double-faced concept. It only has 18 words of rules text, which is way less than most other cube-worthy green 4-drops. I mean, this thing has two faces and still manages to have less words than Questing Beast. Even more tame cards like Polukranos, World Eater and the aforementioned Surrak the Hunt Caller are wordier than this. We have to start getting into the territory of cards like Ripjaw Raptor before we start finding simpler cards. Even some of the cards with just keywords have more text than this when we consider reminder text.
The card also tells a really neat little story. You see a beast in the glade; you approach it, only for it to move and reveal that it was a threatening monster the entire time. Ulvenwald Oddity has delver of secrets levels of simplicity of resonance, which is really something for a 2021 design.
Basically, given the largely overcosted, understatted, or overly complex nature of most of the "cool" cards in this set, the more simplistic stat monster with a good design and great flavoring stands out among the rest.
No harm, I knew what you meant
.For people not in the know, Onder and I talk outside of the forum pretty regularly, so sometimes context from our private discussions is lost in public.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
So my base assumption for people on these forums is you live in Scandanavia/Europe somewhere unless I specifically know otherwise. Are you Canadian?
Like no shade if you just really love Canada, don't live there, and think this is super sweet, it just seems like a funny point to zero in on if this is all coming from experience in Civ 6
Chris Taylor
Contributor
Also I haven't actually talked about any of these cards yet so lets catch up here:
Currently under translation, but here's another drake haven if you want one. I personally think Faith of the Devoted is cooler, but I also haven't played with any of these three.
Assuming the 13 permanent text is mostly flavor text (which it might not be. you'll be at 6 permanents at end step casting this on an empty board, so with a moderate amount of turns/other cards this seems quite realistic)
That being said, how good is 4 mana for a 1/1 each turn. My guess is eh? Like how good is goblin assault?
All this time of playing rabblemasters may have spoiled me into thinking this card is better than it is.
I actually really like this overstatted monster. Look sure it's pushed, but it's incidental graveyard hate in a way that matters and isn't overwhelming like scavenging ooze.
I'm not sure how I feel about it having vigilance. I hated it on brimaz, but here is feels better? I don't know why I feel this way.
This also seems sweet. Solid defensive body which turns into a 3/4 kinda Vendilion Clique? This is a solid baseline card, and it's a 1 drop actual black midrange decks might want.
Chefs Kiss. Really it's great to be seeing designs that are just C, 2/1, relevant and intriguing text. I'd lamented this problem for years in red and recently got rewarded with Falkenrath Pit Fighter, and this might just do the same thing for green.
For the more combo-y among you, this is a 3 mana draw 3. That's powerful. I think in the dark a random cube is going to want something like Tidings or Precognitive Perception in general, but if the base mode here is something your environment can support, this seems like a sweet tool.
Hell maybe this is just decent for aggressive blue strategies? The Chart a Course/Blue Sun's Zenith split card we didn't know we wanted?
It is a right shame that none of this cards THREE frame treatments explain what a blood is
Now I'm not sure I want it anyways, because moving black away from "Can't Block Tribal" is an active effort for me right now, but this is a solid aggressive beater.
Man where is grillo when we need him right? This is actually a card that should probably be swapped into the Penny Pincher
Man this is so many words, but it is red coastal piracy, and it lets you play lands.
Also trample for some reason? Nice. As additive distraction goes, at least this works within the ability itself rather than "this needs to be more powerful" text like QB's damage prevention
Honestly I had actually been looking for another black walker that wasn't overbearing or terrible. I had settled for overbearing, but I like this a lot more.
Also I'm going to choose to view the optionality of the first ability as "people will activate this more and have more agency over their games" and not "man nobody is going to die to putting Emrakul in their deck alongside this card"
This fucking card. Okay, so I love me some +1/+1 counter mechanics, but training (AKA reverse mentor) is not great. Being in a position where you can attack with this small creature and another creature with specific size requirements AND have that be a good idea at the time is a bridge too far.
THEN you have people noticing this can be used like a reanimation spell
So let me get the plan straight:
1) Play discard outlet
2) Draw reanimation target, discard said card
3) Play Savior of Ollenbock
4) Attack with Savior of Ollenbock and a 2 power creature
5) Sac/Kill Savior of Ollenbock
Man we give reanimator shit for being an A+B+C combo in a world of A+Bs, but this? we have the whole alphabet out here in force
So happy this cycle is being finished out rather than saved to market a new set down the line.
This I like. 2/1 flying is not a bad baseline, tells you what blood is, the flip side is sweet, 1+ all round
Currently under translation, but here's another drake haven if you want one. I personally think Faith of the Devoted is cooler, but I also haven't played with any of these three.
Assuming the 13 permanent text is mostly flavor text (which it might not be. you'll be at 6 permanents at end step casting this on an empty board, so with a moderate amount of turns/other cards this seems quite realistic)
That being said, how good is 4 mana for a 1/1 each turn. My guess is eh? Like how good is goblin assault?
All this time of playing rabblemasters may have spoiled me into thinking this card is better than it is.
I actually really like this overstatted monster. Look sure it's pushed, but it's incidental graveyard hate in a way that matters and isn't overwhelming like scavenging ooze.
I'm not sure how I feel about it having vigilance. I hated it on brimaz, but here is feels better? I don't know why I feel this way.
This also seems sweet. Solid defensive body which turns into a 3/4 kinda Vendilion Clique? This is a solid baseline card, and it's a 1 drop actual black midrange decks might want.
Chefs Kiss. Really it's great to be seeing designs that are just C, 2/1, relevant and intriguing text. I'd lamented this problem for years in red and recently got rewarded with Falkenrath Pit Fighter, and this might just do the same thing for green.
For the more combo-y among you, this is a 3 mana draw 3. That's powerful. I think in the dark a random cube is going to want something like Tidings or Precognitive Perception in general, but if the base mode here is something your environment can support, this seems like a sweet tool.
Hell maybe this is just decent for aggressive blue strategies? The Chart a Course/Blue Sun's Zenith split card we didn't know we wanted?
It is a right shame that none of this cards THREE frame treatments explain what a blood is
Now I'm not sure I want it anyways, because moving black away from "Can't Block Tribal" is an active effort for me right now, but this is a solid aggressive beater.
Man where is grillo when we need him right? This is actually a card that should probably be swapped into the Penny Pincher
Man this is so many words, but it is red coastal piracy, and it lets you play lands.
Also trample for some reason? Nice. As additive distraction goes, at least this works within the ability itself rather than "this needs to be more powerful" text like QB's damage prevention
Honestly I had actually been looking for another black walker that wasn't overbearing or terrible. I had settled for overbearing, but I like this a lot more.
Also I'm going to choose to view the optionality of the first ability as "people will activate this more and have more agency over their games" and not "man nobody is going to die to putting Emrakul in their deck alongside this card"
This fucking card. Okay, so I love me some +1/+1 counter mechanics, but training (AKA reverse mentor) is not great. Being in a position where you can attack with this small creature and another creature with specific size requirements AND have that be a good idea at the time is a bridge too far.
THEN you have people noticing this can be used like a reanimation spell
So let me get the plan straight:
1) Play discard outlet
2) Draw reanimation target, discard said card
3) Play Savior of Ollenbock
4) Attack with Savior of Ollenbock and a 2 power creature
5) Sac/Kill Savior of Ollenbock
Man we give reanimator shit for being an A+B+C combo in a world of A+Bs, but this? we have the whole alphabet out here in force
So happy this cycle is being finished out rather than saved to market a new set down the line.
This I like. 2/1 flying is not a bad baseline, tells you what blood is, the flip side is sweet, 1+ all round
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Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
I think a 3/4 vigilance at 3 mv is super annoying regardless. These aren't the stats I'm happiest with.
For what it's worth around 60 percent of our traffic comes from the US of A.So my base assumption for people on these forums is you live in Scandanavia/Europe somewhere unless I specifically know otherwise. Are you Canadian?
Like no shade if you just really love Canada, don't live there, and think this is super sweet, it just seems like a funny point to zero in on if this is all coming from experience in Civ 6
Chris Taylor
Contributor
I make no illusion (Allusion?) my Europe/Scandinavia assumption is in any way based in fact FWIW
Also I haven't actually talked about any of these cards yet so lets catch up here:
Currently under translation, but here's another drake haven if you want one. I personally think Faith of the Devoted is cooler, but I also haven't played with any of these three.
Oh boy
I've just played with Drake Haven
But I think I like this better than Faith
If not because of my black zombie subtheme
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
I've settled on Drake Haven, Faith of the Devoted, and Lazotep Chancellor. I think Faith is more interesting than Dreadful Service because it attacks on another angle and helps keep you alive at the same time.
Note that I said less obnoxious.
Also... wow, I thought Thirst for Discovery was a reprint. It's actually just a strictly better Compulsive Research. Huh.
Not strictly. Basic land (instant) vs land (sorcery). If you have many non basic lands in your cube/land box that distinction could be important
and it can block!
FREDOOOOOOOOOOOOOM