General Fight Club

[ravnic]

I'd go with the seacrome coast cycle. Turn 1 and 2 are the most critical turns in most formats.

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Which white recursion spell would you rather have in the core cube?

 

[MilesOfficial]

Man, that's rough. I love both of these cards so much.

In most Cubes, I'd do Sevinne's Reclamation. Being able to cast spells that get incidentally milled is awesome, and the options expand for what you can grab. In core of the CCC though, I'd do Helping Hand. For a core card, it fits that role better. Power level is much closer, the cost is lower, and the effect is simpler.

 

[Nanonox]

The open-endedness of Sevinne’s Reclamation makes me think it’s a better core card. Works with small creatures, auras, lands even Jace Beleren!

Also Gifts Ungiven when for this spicy pile

 

[inscho]

I vote for Reclamation, but both are great.

I love using Reclamation as a poor-man's ramp spell with a fetchland like Prismatic Vista. It's also really fun in Mesmeric Orb decks. It just provides so much utility. It's a simple card that sparks some creativity which is a quality I value highly.

At 660, I'd probably be looking to fit both in to be honest.

 

[Rasmus Källqvist]

I also wanna vote both. Helping Hand I feel is a pretty clean card, but Reclamation is probably more powerful and has more play to it

 

[TrainmasterGT]

I would go:
Both>Sevinne's Reclamation>Helping Hand.

I think if you want this to be a deck the effect redundancy is very important.

Sevinne's Reclamation is a more playable and more interesting card by itself.

Helping Hand is awesome if you have good things to reanimate with it, but it's not as good if it's not a part of a deck's primary plan.

 

[Erik Twice]

I'd go with the seacrome coast cycle. Turn 1 and 2 are the most critical turns in most formats.

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Which white recursion spell would you rather have in the core cube?

Sevinne's Reclamation, no question. It working from the graveyard and hitting all kinds of permanents make it a much more interesting, playable and synergetic card.

 

[ravnic]

Okay, I'll stick with Reclamation for now, but there is another fight up next:



I added Honor to further promote white prowess. It's cool, but now I wonder if Helping Hand could get the same job done (you still have 10-12 creatures) in these decks specifically, while also being more appealing to other strategies.

 

[MilesOfficial]

Honor's a fantastic card and I love it. I don't think it's close, though. Helping Hand is such a winner. Unearth has probably not been cycled in the last 5 years, and white is a much better color for the effect.

 

[Nanonox]

I would go with Helping Hand in your fight. More generically playable and impactful I think, though it's funny that both can rot in hand.

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Having a body vs returning more card types (that are all supported in the cube). Thoughts?

 

[LadyMapi]

I'd go with Satyr Wayfinder unless you're providing plenty of ways to trigger Dredger's Insight. When I look at the enchantment my eyes go straight to the magical word "whenever" and I start thinking "ah, this format is going to give me ways to exploit that".

 

[TrainmasterGT]

Okay, I'll stick with Reclamation for now, but there is another fight up next:



I added Honor to further promote white prowess. It's cool, but now I wonder if Helping Hand could get the same job done (you still have 10-12 creatures) in these decks specifically, while also being more appealing to other strategies.

Still Helping Hand. Honor is cool but has fewer practical applications imo.

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Having a body vs returning more card types (that are all supported in the cube). Thoughts?

Insight is cool if you want to try and make the first ability relevant, but I think Wayfinder is the clear winner otherwise. Also, it is hard to tell what is going on in Dredger's Insight's art, which is a negative in my opinion, even though it's not really a mechanical concern.

I could definitely see a world where you just play both, usually decks that want these types of cards want multiple copies of the effect. Just one "mill+draw" card is usually not enough for archetype support in my experience.

 

[Erik Twice]

The body, no question. The life gain isn't going to matter.

 

[Nanonox]

I'd go with Satyr Wayfinder unless you're providing plenty of ways to trigger Dredger's Insight

Kind of? Between Welder/Engineer/Emry/Scrap Trawler/Myr Retriever/White recursion/Black reanimation there are plenty of ways to recur artifacts.
Similarly, recursive creatures are readily available.

I could definitely see a world where you just play both, usually decks that want these types of cards want multiple copies of the effect.

I’m with you on the art! I had planned to include one of these and Hermit Druid as a spicy self-mill option, but could also go safer and just run Satyr and Insight.

The body, no question. The life gain isn't going to matter.

The ability to recur more than just lands holds no value to you? Wondering if I am overvaluing that part of the card.