Exactly how bad of an idea is it to run this? How busted and unfair of a win con does this pose?
It's super busted in theory, but in practice it rarely actually put W's on the board for me.
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It's super busted in theory, but in practice it rarely actually put W's on the board for me.
Exactly how bad of an idea is it to run this? How busted and unfair of a win con does this pose?
It sucks without Dark Ritual imo.
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
Haha, exactly what I was thinking when I read the OP
Chris Taylor
Contributor
If you want, run it until someone gets bolted once it resolves, but before combat is over
I'm pretty sure some people run this. Do you need a dedicated elf theme? How many elves do you need to make it playable? I only have about 10 but a few of those - Coiling Oracle and Deranged Hermit[/ci] especially look like they'd work really well, but I'm worried it would be a trap.
I run it in my Green module (90 cards - so not exactly comparable to typical cube lists from a drafting standpoint), and in the dedicated Elf deck it's one of the best cards there.
My 2 cents... supporting narrow cards like this is worth it if:
1. The deck can actually come together
2. The narrow card is one of the best cards in that deck.
YMMV, but I think it's worth checking out especially if you have drafters that are fans of tribal themes.
In this vein, I also recommend Goblin Matron for the tribal goblin deck. Being able to tutor up Siege-gang or Redcap is powerful and worth drafting this card for.
My 2 cents... supporting narrow cards like this is worth it if:
1. The deck can actually come together
2. The narrow card is one of the best cards in that deck.
YMMV, but I think it's worth checking out especially if you have drafters that are fans of tribal themes.
In this vein, I also recommend Goblin Matron for the tribal goblin deck. Being able to tutor up Siege-gang or Redcap is powerful and worth drafting this card for.
Grillo_Parlante
Contributor
I would suggest first looking at quirion ranger or scryb ranger if you are in the market for general creature untap effects.
Scryb Ranger in particular is really great because it flies and has flash, so does all sorts of super interesting things in game. It's one of my favorite green 2 drops and that says a lot considering how much I hate random protection on dudes.
Exactly how bad of an idea is it to run this?
I've been running Hat Red for months. It's hilarious, it looms large in the draft, I would recommend it highly but it's definitely not a card everybody's going to enjoy or want to cube. It's a bit of a saving grace that it's not an especially pickable card, which should get it to wheel and give everybody a chance to see it's in the draft pool.
Story time: Villain is stomping me in game three. I'm on the GB beat-down plan, except he's still at 20 life, and has tapped out to put Palinchron and Charmbreaker Devils in play vs. my Afterlife token. I'm pretty sure he has some nasty Palinchron combo if an uncontested Charmbreaker Devils isn't enough. All I have is Hatred and some lands in hand, so I Hollywood a brief tank and gingerly attack with the flier.
Opponent is confused. "Might of Oaks?" he asks. Dithers, then greedily decides not to block, setting himself up for the windmill slam Hatred for nineteen. Much rejoicing and and a live reading of the flavor text followed.
This is another one I really want to try, with a few more goblins in the red section. Just another thing I haven't got around to yet.
It's more the return an elf part than the untap a creature part I'm interested in.
Does anyone have any experience with this? It doesn't feel that far off from Bonesplitter, and I like that it makes extra bodies for the sacrifice deck.
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
In fact I do, and it's awful! The 1/1 always dies before you can do anything with it, and the +1/+0 is nowhere near enough of a boost. The triggered ability matters so rarely, that it's best to view this card as an overcosted Bone Saw. It's a trap!
Does anyone have any experience with this? It doesn't feel that far off from Bonesplitter, and I like that it makes extra bodies for the sacrifice deck.
This card is pretty bad. If you don't have a way to take advantage of the extra body and make it actually relevant, then it's just useless. Bonesplitter allows you to trade up your 1 drop 2/1 creatures in aggro with an x/4 roadblock and continue pushing through damage. This +1/+0 doesn't have enough of an impact. It's a shame too, we could always use more pieces of good equipment but this doesn't quite fit the bill.
Dom Harvey
Contributor
it's very very far off from Bonesplitter, which we all underrate IMO
bonesplitter is my waifu, take this back please
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
There's two Bonesplitters in my cube, and still they wheel half the time. I do think it's underrated actually!
I like it, though it's a pretty recent addition to my cube. It's only poked its head up in a couple games, but it's done serious work each time.
Onderzeeboot
Ecstatic Orb
Yeah, it's better than it looks at first glance. It's just so fricking versatile, and it's nearly always a 2-for-1 that doesn't require you to spend mana on your own turn.
Chris Taylor
Contributor
It's so weird, I've got 2 as well, and they're usually powerful, but they always both end up in the same person's deck, and they're inevitably also playing green, and probably have a rancor or two.
I have no idea why. It's not like everyone else is hard in on control and would turn their nose up at equipment
Command is way, waaaaay better than Dimir Charm.