Card/Deck Single Card Spotlight
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Dom Harvey
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Chris Taylor
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Ah, those were the days. I don't remember a standard rare over 20$ before I quit in coldsnap
I remember first Sarkhan Vol, then later Elspeth, Knight-Errant, hitting $30 a pop back in 2008 being a Very Big Deal.
CML
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yo Wadds you'd post the same (esp. about a poster who had stuck around for a while) and feel the same, way plus there's a substantive sentence or two below. come on now, we've gotta be above getting all twatty on a third party's account, or else who the hell are we?
beyond that cut out the threats please, i have read much meaner and worse posts from actually everyone here incl. both of us
Look, the threat may have been unnecessary, but I am serious. I have had many good posters tell me they would post more often but feel that the tone here is too negative. I logged on this morning and read many posts that struck me as unnecessarily condescending.
I'm not going to say that I'm always perfect, but for my part these are the types of posts I try to make when disagreeing with people:
We're a small enough minority in the cubing world an are fighting an uphill battle. Let's not scare off our own.
Maybe I should post more, I'm an inexplicably positive person.
Actually I wanna back up CML here, I don't think he's out of line. What I really like about this site is people disagree without just shooting down out outside-the-box ideas, or even shooting down really conventional ideas. I really don't want a forum which is 90% back patting and agreeing. Now, pretty much everyone here either a.) writes good arguments or b.) posts complete messes of posts that don't much sense, and I think we're all a little guilty of each. But regardless, we're respectful. Except CML. CML is awesome, he's an asshole and he knows it, and he's not afraid to shout shit like this:
CML's been getting a lot of flak recently - not undeserved - but I think we need to appreciate his quality. CML, you gotta be careful though because you've been out of line a few times and push it all the time.
Anyway I'm the guy who won "most likely to befriend a klansman", so if I haven't noticed a negative tone here it's not really surprising.
Actually I wanna back up CML here, I don't think he's out of line. What I really like about this site is people disagree without just shooting down out outside-the-box ideas, or even shooting down really conventional ideas. I really don't want a forum which is 90% back patting and agreeing. Now, pretty much everyone here either a.) writes good arguments or b.) posts complete messes of posts that don't much sense, and I think we're all a little guilty of each. But regardless, we're respectful. Except CML. CML is awesome, he's an asshole and he knows it, and he's not afraid to shout shit like this:
I laughed my head off (literally - I'm dead now) when I read that, I was so surprised to see someone on the internet be simultaneously angry and have a good point.
CML's been getting a lot of flak recently - not undeserved - but I think we need to appreciate his quality. CML, you gotta be careful though because you've been out of line a few times and push it all the time.
Anyway I'm the guy who won "most likely to befriend a klansman", so if I haven't noticed a negative tone here it's not really surprising.
Actually I do see a negative tone here: People won't stop bashing MTGS. I've said it a lot, but cut it out, dudes. "I was looking for some terrible design i saw on MTGS (sic)", cmon we don't need stuff like that. Post good designs.
Yeah, hmmm. Maybe I was in a piss mood this morning. Sorry for the unwarranted threat. I like CML being here but also think we need to be mindful of the image we project, and I certainly don't want to give anybody to reject our ideas because they are against our tone. Worse, I don't want people who agree with our mindset to leave because of that either.
I will also admit that I feel very protective of our new(er) members. I would have felt differently about some of these posts if they were aimed at me or Eric or Chris Taylor or Lucas or more of the "old guard".
I also don't want to be so far into the "don't say anything negative crowd" that we become like the Starcraft 2 crowd and have to analyze whether every little thing is "good for eSports".
Somebody call me an asshole.
Somebody call me an asshole.
Fuck esports. Esports happen by accident, and the good ones happen whether things are good for them or not. For example, dota continues to be massive without being continuously pushed by its publisher. Every other current, big esport is garbage in comparison.
Except the fighting game scene who I guess are technically esports (cf: divekick) but have their own scene, and I guess the shooters can't all be crap.
Except the fighting game scene who I guess are technically esports (cf: divekick) but have their own scene, and I guess the shooters can't all be crap.
Ok back to discussing single cards.
This fits my +1/+1 counter theme (weakly) and the value graveyard strategies I'm still trying to design/develop (intellectually I'm at stage one: "I want a value graveyard strategy", practical I'm several stages ahead: "I guess I'll just throw some value reanimation spells in the cube and ETB creatures and see what happens" (nothing happens))
It also helps with the black devotion I want, who's only devotion card is a single Grey Merchant of Asphodel. Grey Merchant isn't a strategy, he should be good in midrangey black decks with incidental support (ie. good hybrid cards). Hence the question, is Golgari Guildmage any good? It's a bear with incidental value and a lot of flexibility, but it could just suck and I don't know.
This fits my +1/+1 counter theme (weakly) and the value graveyard strategies I'm still trying to design/develop (intellectually I'm at stage one: "I want a value graveyard strategy", practical I'm several stages ahead: "I guess I'll just throw some value reanimation spells in the cube and ETB creatures and see what happens" (nothing happens))
It also helps with the black devotion I want, who's only devotion card is a single Grey Merchant of Asphodel. Grey Merchant isn't a strategy, he should be good in midrangey black decks with incidental support (ie. good hybrid cards). Hence the question, is Golgari Guildmage any good? It's a bear with incidental value and a lot of flexibility, but it could just suck and I don't know.
Ok back to discussing single cards.
This fits my +1/+1 counter theme (weakly) and the value graveyard strategies I'm still trying to design/develop (intellectually I'm at stage one: "I want a value graveyard strategy", practical I'm several stages ahead: "I guess I'll just throw some value reanimation spells in the cube and ETB creatures and see what happens" (nothing happens))
It also helps with the black devotion I want, who's only devotion card is a single Grey Merchant of Asphodel. Grey Merchant isn't a strategy, he should be good in midrangey black decks with incidental support (ie. good hybrid cards). Hence the question, is Golgari Guildmage any good? It's a bear with incidental value and a lot of flexibility, but it could just suck and I don't know.
This is so obliquely supporting the themes that I don't know if you can really count it. 5-mana activations are super high, and even the first ability seems like it won't be profitable in many gamestates. At
, this doesn't even seem like it was a high pick in normal limited, although I admittedly never played that format.
FlowerSunRain
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I think Golgari Guildmage is mostly unplayable and this is coming from someone who thinks Stalker Hag is marginally playable. Those abilities just cost so much for so little. You'd have to be all in on devotion and sacrifice to even consider this card and I think you'd probably still be better served strengthening each theme individually. I think this card proves there is a point where trying to support multiple themes can go too far.
It's an interesting case where players of each theme have equal demand for the card. Which is to say, no demand.
Don't worry, I'll live through CML's disagreements as long as they don't take up more than half a total page's length!
I'll admit I did write a response, but decided to just not post it; no one else seemed interested in the topic and I get the impression not much ever changes CML's mind.
That said I like to think I have thick skin on the feelings scale, I'm in a very... acidic(?) mtg community in real life with a lot of very opinionated, very skilled players that are mostly loud and/or insulting or callous whenever they communicate, so a LOT of new players get run out of the store/scene etc. Internet forums are weird (this is only one of two I'm currently posting on) and the three other people I have directed here have decided to not register for various reasons, but "I'm scared of getting my opinions smashed" wasn't one given to me (or admitted?) so I don't have any beef.
IN OTHER NEWS if you could only have (and I get the feeling most of you only have) one chandra, which would it be/is it? I've heard arguments for all (except ablaze) and I can't really make up my mind. I'm currently using Nalaar, as I feel she fits in ALL decks red supports, with her worst mode being "kill that titan" for five. People want firebrand as a minor build-around or pyromaster for plain old card advantage/flexibility. I just feel firebrand is the most narrow and pyro lacks the pure firepower (hurr) of the other chandras.
I'll admit I did write a response, but decided to just not post it; no one else seemed interested in the topic and I get the impression not much ever changes CML's mind.
That said I like to think I have thick skin on the feelings scale, I'm in a very... acidic(?) mtg community in real life with a lot of very opinionated, very skilled players that are mostly loud and/or insulting or callous whenever they communicate, so a LOT of new players get run out of the store/scene etc. Internet forums are weird (this is only one of two I'm currently posting on) and the three other people I have directed here have decided to not register for various reasons, but "I'm scared of getting my opinions smashed" wasn't one given to me (or admitted?) so I don't have any beef.
IN OTHER NEWS if you could only have (and I get the feeling most of you only have) one chandra, which would it be/is it? I've heard arguments for all (except ablaze) and I can't really make up my mind. I'm currently using Nalaar, as I feel she fits in ALL decks red supports, with her worst mode being "kill that titan" for five. People want firebrand as a minor build-around or pyromaster for plain old card advantage/flexibility. I just feel firebrand is the most narrow and pyro lacks the pure firepower (hurr) of the other chandras.
Not true! Now that it's at the forefront of my mind, thanks to the discussion on this thread, I'm reconsidering whether Ashiok could be playable in my cube. I'm usually interested in hearing people's arguments for or against the inclusion of specific cube cards, especially when the cards are a little bit off the radar, even if I don't respond to those posts with explicit agreement or disagreement.
As for Chandra, I've got her original version in my list at the moment. She's midrangy as all hell, but I like that she fits into the bigger red decks around here, and is never outright awful in any match-up, even if she isn't usually a game-breaking card, either.
Chris Taylor
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I wish abalze cost 5. Seeing an all in red deck ritual that out and wheel their opponent down to 3 cards would be a hilarious standard/modern play
My favorite chandra is Koth
My favorite chandra is Koth